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Question on The Tree of Life

40 posts · 8 participants · started Apr 20, 2019, 9:31 AM

  1. Greetings Forumite Friends!

    Bonita, are you still monitoring this Forum? Wondering about your and anyone else’s take on this statement by Solonia in the Adam and Eve Papers:

    73:6.7 (826.4) When the plans of the Material Son went astray, Adam and his family were not permitted to carry the core of the tree away from the Garden.

    It wouldn’t have been any use to them, would it? They were already mentally ‘disjuncted’:

    75:7.5 (845.5) 1. Adam and Eve, like their fellows on Jerusem, maintained immortal status through intellectual association with the mind-gravity circuit of the Spirit. When this vital sustenance is broken by mental disjunction, then, regardless of the spiritual level of creature existence, immortality status is lost. Mortal status followed by physical dissolution was the inevitable consequence of the intellectual default of Adam and Eve.

    Thanks for any input on this. Love, Rick

     

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    Richard E Warren

  2. Hi Rick.  Excellent question.

    As I understand it, the tree of life is for physical immortality, meaning just the physical body rather than the mind.  While on earth they needed both the tree and the mind-gravity circuit to stay alive. Back on Jerusem they didn’t need the tree, just the mind-gravity circuit.  The tree is a necessary adjunct to the mind-gravity circuit when celestials become materialized.  I also think the tree had healing powers, but I might be reading into that.

  3. Hi Rick. Excellent question. As I understand it, the tree of life is for physical immortality, meaning just the physical body rather than the mind. While on earth they needed both the tree and the mind-gravity circuit to stay alive. Back on Jerusem they didn’t need the tree, just the mind-gravity circuit. The tree is a necessary adjunct to the mind-gravity circuit when celestials become materialized. I also think the tree had healing powers, but I might be reading into that.

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    Thank you. Now those statements about A&E’s dual form/circulatory systems, food and light intake, make even more sense… Interesting to think about how their lives might have played out had they continued to eat the fruit without the complementary ministry of the mind circuit. Divine senility?!?

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    Richard E Warren

  4. … I also think the tree had healing powers, but I might be reading into that.

    Why? It didn’t much help the Nodites who invaded the abandoned Garden. That doesn’t, of course, negate your supposition about healing power for A&E.

    (826.4) 73:6.7 …They ate freely of the fruit for years, but it did nothing for them; they were all material mortals of the realm; they lacked that endowment which acted as a complement to the fruit of the tree. They became enraged at their inability to benefit from the tree of life, and in connection with one of their internal wars, the temple and the tree were both destroyed by fire; only the stone wall stood until the Garden was subsequently submerged. This was the second temple of the Father to perish.

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    Richard E Warren

  5. Read Paper 73, Section 6.

     

    The fruit was antidotal to physical aging so its value was as a form of physical and medical treatment to sustain the body.  But it provided no benefit or effect to wholly evolutionary human bodies.

    Remember, both Van and Amadon had bodies which were more than evolutionary but not the Nodites after so many generations.  Adam and Eve were specifically deprived of those attributes which responded to the space energy antidote upon default.

     

    Odd, but the text says the leaves of the Tree of Life were for the  “healing of the nations”…whatever that means.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  6. Bradly, apparently the leaves are a gift from the three Most Highs who rule in the nations. We could extrapolate and spread “imagination jam” over slices of life bread empowering our mysteries and then foresee that if the A & E default had not happened, perhaps nation healing would be much easier if the Tree of Life would be maintained forever.  After all is said, look at those persons who were privileged to eat the fruit. We need a lot more of those types today!!!!!!!!! Its fun to guess sometimes!

  7. …Odd, but the text says the leaves of the Tree of Life were for the “healing of the nations”…whatever that means.

    Hmm….interesting point Bradly… Maybe it’s metaphorical or symbolic of the utopian ages ahead??

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    Richard E Warren

  8. Hmm….interesting point Bradly… Maybe it’s metaphorical or symbolic of the utopian ages ahead??

    Oh no, not that.

    the tree needed dirt to grow? Dirt on architectural spheres?

  9. …Oh no, not that. the tree needed dirt to grow? Dirt on architectural spheres?

    Maybe, Gene. There are lots of gardens on those spheres. No soil needed?

     
    …If you enjoy the flowers, shrubs, and trees of Urantia, then will you feast your eyes upon the botanical beauty and the floral grandeur of the supernal gardens of Edentia. 43:6.8
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    Richard E Warren

  10. I’m pretty sure the healing of the nations is from Revelations.  The tree of life grew on either side of the river of the water of life in the writer’s vision.  It’s supposed to be about the New Jerusalem, the city of God.  It happens to be one of the most moving pieces of literature I’ve ever read about the indwelling God.

    1. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    2. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    3. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    4. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
    5. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
    6. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
  11. If you get a chance listen to “And I Saw a New Heaven” by Edgar Bainton.  Pay particular attention to the intensely beautiful  tenor line “. . .  and God shall wipe away all tears”.  It’s stunning, tear invoking joy.

  12. If you get a chance listen to “And I Saw a New Heaven” by Edgar Bainton. Pay particular attention to the intensely beautiful tenor line “. . . and God shall wipe away all tears”. It’s stunning, tear invoking joy.

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    Hauntingly beautiful. Angelic! Thank you. And I Saw a New Heaven by Edgar Bainton

     

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    Richard E Warren

  13. Perhaps we can infer what would have happened by looking at what actually happened.

    As stated above, the Nodites invaded the garden. They had heard, or at least we can infer that they had, that those who ate the tree would be immortal.

    Now let us, for the sake of argument, assume that Adam and Eve had been permited to take the tree. Based on what happened, can we infer what would have happened?

    They take the tree. They live long lives. The tree grows and becomes intangled in the folklore of A and Es’ decendants. They eat the fruit thinking, as the Nodites did, to become immortal. They fail as the Nodites did, but not before…

    Civil war in the family, perhaps after A and Es’ death… all over the tree?

    Just my thoughts

  14. I think all the Adamites in the Garden knew the Tree of Life held no benefit or effect for them any longer.  Adam and Eve certainly would have.  Even the Nodites came to know this fact and abandoned the myth.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  15. I’m pretty sure the healing of the nations is from Revelations. The tree of life grew on either side of the river of the water of life in the writer’s vision. It’s supposed to be about the New Jerusalem, the city of God. It happens to be one of the most moving pieces of literature I’ve ever read about the indwelling God.

    1. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    2. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
    3. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
    4. And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
    5. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
    6. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

     

    Thank you.

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    Richard E Warren

  16. Perhaps we can infer what would have happened by looking at what actually happened. As stated above, the Nodites invaded the garden. They had heard, or at least we can infer that they had, that those who ate the tree would be immortal. Now let us, for the sake of argument, assume that Adam and Eve had been permited to take the tree. Based on what happened, can we infer what would have happened? They take the tree. They live long lives. The tree grows and becomes intangled in the folklore of A and Es’ decendants. They eat the fruit thinking, as the Nodites did, to become immortal. They fail as the Nodites did, but not before… Civil war in the family, perhaps after A and Es’ death… all over the tree? Just my thoughts

    I think all the Adamites in the Garden knew the Tree of Life held no benefit or effect for them any longer. Adam and Eve certainly would have. Even the Nodites came to know this fact and abandoned the myth.

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    It may be dead end speculation, but to explore the scenario a bit more, if, like Bonita pointed out, the tree was only an adjunct of their physical maintenance, not associated with the mind circuit that was disrupted upon default, then their bodies may have endured but their minds would have withered or failed eventually, no? We have to assume it was wise of the Receivers not to grant permission to move the tree… But that brings a not-so-speculative question: Did A&E ask permission to take it, and why would they?

    73:6.7 (826.4) When the plans of the Material Son went astray, Adam and his family were not permitted to carry the core of the tree away from the Garden.

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    Richard E Warren

  17. Perhaps partaking of the tree of life would have allowed Adam and Eve to live in their earthly bodies indefinitely, like Van and Amadon. The question I have is why weren’t they allowed to do that, if only to maintain a center of culture on this planet until the next bestowal mission.  It seems logical to me, but then again, my logic has its flaws.  Maybe one of the reasons is that an adjunct to the tree of life is necessary.  Van and Amadon also had access to a specialized life ministry from the Melchizedeks in addition to the tree of life.  Perhaps two sources of life energy are necessary?  Don’t know.

    Van was left on Urantia until the time of Adam, remaining as titular head of all superhuman personalities functioning on the planet. He and Amadon were sustained by the technique of the tree of life in conjunction with the specialized life ministry of the Melchizedeks for over one hundred and fifty thousand years. 67:6.4

     

  18. Hi,

    Concerning physical indifinite perpetual status Van was constitued with life plasm from the 100 choosen descendants from Adon and Fonta. And attuned to the life circuits of the system.    66:2.6

    It worth to speculated “to be attuned”  might suggest their human corpse was adapted to respond to tree of life !

    In 66:2.6 we are told the rebellious sixty ” had been isolated from the life currents of the system.”

    Might be 2 differends  things mind’s gravity  and life  circuit of the system.

    Questions:

    How Amadon did  profit the “life currents of the  system ” ?

    Caligastia and Daligastia both secondary Lanonandek sons, after  rebellion, after the fault weren’t cut off,  ‘disjuncted’ of anything regarding petpetual longevity. Probably, because they were not material but  spiritual’s corpse. They didn’t have  to be substain with  mind’s gravity  or/and the tree of life.

    Why A&E were not authorized to keep going  God’s plans ? Could it be a  question of  trust ? Undoubtedly. Adam and Eve that default of trust culminated  in degradation of status. 75:7.6
    Could we included deviance of thinking?

    As you said  Rick  “disjonction” was a safeguard to any desobedience as reminded by  the archangel Solonia. Still in default, look how careless  ours parents were to follows directives from Solonia in 75:4.8.

    André

  19. Perhaps partaking of the tree of life would have allowed Adam and Eve to live in their earthly bodies indefinitely, like Van and Amadon. The question I have is why weren’t they allowed to do that, if only to maintain a center of culture on this planet until the next bestowal mission. It seems logical to me, but then again, my logic has its flaws. Maybe one of the reasons is that an adjunct to the tree of life is necessary. Van and Amadon also had access to a specialized life ministry from the Melchizedeks in addition to the tree of life. Perhaps two sources of life energy are necessary? Don’t know.

    Hi, Concerning physical indifinite perpetual status Van was constitued with life plasm from the 100 choosen descendants from Adon and Fonta. And attuned to the life circuits of the system. 66:2.6 It worth to speculated “to be attuned” might suggest their human corpse was adapted to respond to tree of life ! In 66:2.6 we are told the rebellious sixty ” had been isolated from the life currents of the system.” Might be 2 differends things mind’s gravity and life circuit of the system. Questions: How Amadon did profit the “life currents of the system ” ? Caligastia and Daligastia both secondary Lanonandek sons, after rebellion, after the fault weren’t cut off, ‘disjuncted’ of anything regarding petpetual longevity. Probably, because they were not material but spiritual’s corpse. They didn’t have to be substain with mind’s gravity or/and the tree of life. Why A&E were not authorized to keep going God’s plans ? Could it be a question of trust ? Undoubtedly. Adam and Eve that default of trust culminated in degradation of status. 75:7.6 Could we included deviance of thinking? As you said Rick “disjonction” was a safeguard to any desobedience as reminded by the archangel Solonia. Still in default, look how careless ours parents were to follows directives from Solonia in 75:4.8. André

    Glad not to be the only one with questions about the A&E bestowal, and its aftermath.

    Andre does offer an answer to Bonita’s question, suggesting irreparable broken trust is the reason A&E weren’t permitted to stay on. To me, her error seems so small and insignificant (maybe because we are virtually numb to error and sin) compared to the monumental consequences. Then Adam, following her lead, caused another error–which brought about Cain (and Abel’s murder) and precipitated the death of Laotta. And then they ended up impregnating 1200 women without benefit of marriage, not unlike Cano and Eve had planned. Interestingly, their error qualified them to sit on the Council of 24 overseers of Urantia.

    And then there’s that other question Bonita and I share, why was Urantia left without visible divinity for 30K years? So long did Urantia languish that an emergency bestowal had to precede Michael’s incarnation. Maybe the great gap in divine presence was to provide that more ‘striking backdrop’ for Michael’s bestowal… So many questions, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t answers, just a delay.

     

     

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    Richard E Warren

  20. Urantia is so unusual on so many levels including the double whammy of rebellion and default.   We are told that Michael picked it for his final bestowal at the time of the Materials’ default.  Another peculiarity.  Are we the beneficiary of a different Plan B response as an experimental world?

    Perhaps the distribution of the violet blood was more important first prior to another Son?  The planetary epochal time frames are so long to us but not to our rulers.  I read something recently that makes me think the UB is not so unusual an advent or epochal revelation asI previously believed.

    Perhaps the internal mind ministries and gravity circuits are being put to the test?  Or we are blessed to be the perpetual source of Agondonters as well as The Shrine of Nebadon?  In any case I am confident myself and Urantia both benefit by the choices of our rulers.

     

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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