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Purpose to everything

60 posts · 9 participants · started Aug 18, 2016, 2:43 PM

  1. Can’t relate to si fi much

    i got through about the first 15 min of the matrix, I didn’t get it. Sat through avatar because of grandkids, the visuals were stunning but story line could not hold my interest-can’t recall what it was about.

    How about time bandits? I loved that one. It seemed to have a spoof on our beliefs at least.

    Yes, Matrix requires a few views all the way through, all three movies where its most common scenario is that the body cannot exist without the mind, but Avatar, seems to have some parallels to what you may be inferring to the mind and personalities taking over a creature body, and at the end fusing those with the body. But even the story line of them flying the dragon-like, bird-like creatures which seems to come from the Adam and Eve story-line having been flown.  Although 35,000 years ago, are there no skeletal remains to validate that from the UB.

    I recall having seen the movie “Time Bandits“, but I’d need to re-visit that one and watch it again.

     

  2. So is that how my posts are being interpreted, in the realm of si fi?

    i really need to rethink what I write more carefully – this was not my intent.

    i cannot relate si fi to the UB.

  3. So is that how my posts are being interpreted, in the realm of si fi?

    i really need to rethink what I write more carefully – this was not my intent.

    i cannot relate si fi to the UB.

    No, on the contrary, in that many opinions are predicated on experience and alternate relation to many things that one may have heard, seen, etc.  The imagination can be a powerful tool and can also, produce issues which can alter one’s perspective.  For the most part, the imagination can be effective as long as one keeps it in perspective, therefore it can be used to visualize and compare things which one has experienced with other aspects of what one thinks can be reality.  Science fiction has been used to look into the future and the past, where one might imagine possibilities and potentials of fact and fiction with reality.  It only becomes a problem when one believes that fiction is reality and becomes part of their lives and not questionable to known facts, even if those known facts may be altered in the future.

    I was watching a program the other day about the Star Trek franchise, and it was mentioned that the designer of the modern day cell phone actually designed it around the Star Trek communicator, thereby creating the flip phone.  Sometimes the imagination can reflect other things in reveling what might be involved in Cosmic Mind as related to subjects in the UB.  Therefore, how does the imagination, as presented in the UB relate to use, in past, present and future projected information?

  4. G’day everyone,
    Gene you shouldn’t be bothered about the consequences after you express yourself.
    Leave it to God and look what happened.
    Bonita and MidiChlorian reacts and answered your thread. In their cosmic insights 16:6.9 they intuitively respond at this innate, infallible endowments of the human mind. 16:6.11 Cosmic thinking.
    The consequences of your thread, Bonita answered one of my experiential questions.
    What is the source of my thoughts?
    In brotherhood,
    André

  5. G’day everyone,
    Gene you shouldn’t be bothered about the consequences after you express yourself.
    Leave it to God and look what happened.
    Bonita and MidiChlorian reacts and answered your thread. In their cosmic insights 16:6.9they intuitively respond at this innate, infallible endowments of the human mind. 16:6.11 Cosmic thinking.
    The consequences of your thread, Bonita answered one of my experiential questions.
    What is the source of my thoughts?
    In brotherhood,
    André

  6. …. third tentatives to post.

     

  7. I do not often take the time to visit this wonderful discussion forum, but this topic caught my eye.  Bonita, thank you so much for the work and thought you put into your posts #22255 and especially #22258.  I have copied them and will study them, use them, save them and cherish them.  You have opened my mind and soul to new insights.  Thank you so much for your ongoing contribution and service to this forum and to the revelation.

    And thank you to all of you who daily contribute your time, knowledge and wisdom to these discussions.  You are all ambassadors of the FER.  God bless you.

  8. Thank you Susan.  That was just what I needed to hear.  I was beginning to feel like Alice in Wonderland.  It truly helps to know that the work I put into sharing what I’ve learned is useful to someone.  Maybe there is a “purpose to everything”?

  9. I don’t know if this thread is dead or not, but there are other things to mention concerning the body. One area we have not discussed yet is how the idea that the body is a source of evil came to permeate early Christianity.

    121:6.3 Though the Hellenized Jewish beliefs were very little influenced by the teachings of the Epicureans, they were very materially affected by the philosophy of Plato and the self-abnegation doctrines of the Stoics. The great inroad of Stoicism is exemplified by the Fourth Book of the Maccabees; the penetration of both Platonic philosophy and Stoic doctrines is exhibited in the Wisdom of Solomon. The Hellenized Jews brought to the Hebrew scriptures such an allegorical interpretation that they found no difficulty in conforming Hebrew theology with their revered Aristotelian philosophy. But this all led to disastrous confusion until these problems were taken in hand by Philo of Alexandria, who proceeded to harmonize and systemize Greek philosophy and Hebrew theology into a compact and fairly consistent system of religious belief and practice. And it was this later teaching of combined Greek philosophy and Hebrew theology that prevailed in Palestine when Jesus lived and taught, and which Paul utilized as the foundation on which to build his more advanced and enlightening cult of Christianity.

    We know that Greek philosophy, particularly the philosophy of Plato, was used as a foundation for Paul’s version of Christianity.  Plato had a lowly opinion of the body considering it a source of contamination for the soul, which he believed to be of divine origin.  Plato taught pre-existence of a perfect soul, a belief that wasn’t considered heretical until 553 A.D..  This delay provided time for the erroneous notions of self-denial, asceticism, abstinence and self-punishment to take root as part of the religion.

    89:4.1 As civilization advanced, these crude concepts of sacrifice were elevated to the level of the rituals of self-abnegation, asceticism, fasting, deprivation, and the later Christian doctrine of sanctification through sorrow, suffering, and the mortification of the flesh.

  10. Iv been thinking about this question since yesterday and I can’t make much of an academic response.

    I do believe based on my attempt to read Plato’s Critias that primitive religions had handed down through the ages their interpretations of the events of Eden. It could very well be that his Atlantis was really Eden?

    Also, Being borne perfect prior to Eve’s original sin is still deeply ingrained in Christianity.

    We now know that evil is potential and even divine personalities no matter what form their bodies are like Lucifer are in danger of giving in to it. It’s not the body.

    but the age old idea of being able to see the body as something different than or separate from the soul was a great thing no matter how misunderstood it may have been. The feeling that one must destroy evil and foster the good has certainly evolved.

  11. It’s not the body.

    but the age old idea of being able to see the body as something different than or separate from the soul was a great thing no matter how misunderstood it may have been.

    Keeping in mind that the body can influence the spirit factor of the entire mechanism, where hormones and even the differences between sexes, physically can have an effect, can still be a major factor.  There has been evidence, primarily in females that their physical components, and how they are arranged, can play a part in their psychosis (if any), is dependent on alignment.  In many confirmed cases, after surgery, to alleviate certain pressure points, many psychoses displayed where eliminated.  Therefore, psychiatry and psychology, needs to take these factors into account before making incorrect evaluations, because it is the body that can effect the whole.

  12. Gene wrote: Also, Being borne perfect prior to Eve’s original sin is still deeply ingrained in Christianity.

    And this is tied to the erroneous idea of the pre-existence of the soul.  Plato believed in reincarnation.  He also believed that the soul is what provides life to the body. (Which means the soul must come before birth in his philosophy, since the fetus is alive.) His ideas were mixed up, but I suppose useful in some respects, but not so in others.  I keep wondering what TUB means when it says that Islam offered deliverance from the strict moral standards of Christianity (5:4.5).  Was asceticism and abstinence too much for them?  Is that Plato and Paul’s fault?

    What I really can’t understand about Eve’s original sin is where does the great flood fit into the scheme?  I thought God was fed up with humans and their sins and wiped them all out except a few righteous.  How is it that we all fell from grace again since the flood?  It seems that God didn’t fix the problem at all.  That’s not very godlike, is it? So, then he had to try and fix the problem again by sacrificing his own son? Yet that certainly didn’t put an end to it either since there are still a ridiculous number of sinning people on the planet. It seems that God is impotent in this scenario.  There’s no logic in it. None at all.   What kind of God keeps failing?  Duh!  I never bought this story, even as a young kid.  It makes no sense. No wonder everyone is waiting for the end of the world when God will finally do his job and get rid of evil.  Jeesh.

  13. What I really can’t understand about Eve’s original sin is where does the great flood fit into the scheme? I thought God was fed up with humans and their sins and wiped them all out except a few righteous. How is it that we all fell from grace again since the flood? It seems that God didn’t fix the problem at all. That’s not very godlike, is it? So, then he had to try and fix the problem again by sacrificing his own son? Yet that certainly didn’t put an end to it either since there are still a ridiculous number of sinning people on the planet. It seems that God is impotent in this scenario. There’s no logic in it. None at all. What kind of God keeps failing? Duh! I never bought this story, even as a young kid. It makes no sense. No wonder everyone is waiting for the end of the world when God will finally do his job and get rid of evil. Jeesh.

    I tend to agree, but in Sumerian text translated by some, the flood was a flood of ultraviolet light which either forced certain entities to move, underground or parish.  Also, the sacrificial lamb aspect could be considered just a means of moving into another or different realm?

  14. And all of this cleansing is believed to have been miraculous

    so much for miracles eh?

    by now it should be obvious that these are our issues to deal with but so many continue to rely on miracles.

    like the saying: it’s gods will, not my will. I believe God would be pleased if we quit saying that.

    but sacrifice also remains intrenched in some religions – some more literally than others. The idea I suppose being to appease an angry God that will miraculously wipe us out if we get it wrong.

    the other miracle water/flood story: Moses parting the sea just long enough to escape then flooding the Egyptians, using or channeling Gods power to do it

  15. But all this stuff has value

    it kept religion going and helped civilization hold together for a long time

  16. POPPYCOCK ALERT: It is not the body that affects the whole.

    Mind is dominant over matter. Spirit is dominant over mind.  Always.  The body, and its issues, can only affect a weak, immature and undisciplined mind in a personality who desires it to do so.

    42:12.15  Mind universally dominates matter, even as it is in turn responsive to the ultimate overcontrol of spirit.

    The personality is the unifier of all the parts of the whole.

    112:0.7 5. Personality, while devoid of identity, can unify the identity of any living energy system.

    HISTORICAL DATA ALERT: Hysteria in females was once believed to be caused by a wandering, or misaligned uterus. Many hysterectomies were performed with the hope of healing crazy women.  Obviously, the idea is ridiculous, but it did result in the invention of the vibrator as a cure for female hysteria.

    From wikipedia:  Wandering womb was the belief that a displaced uterus was the cause of many medical pathologies in women. The belief originates in the medical texts of ancient Greece, although the belief persisted in European academic medicine for centuries.

    The concept of hysteria caused by “wandering womb” continued to be taught from one generation of medical researchers to the next in Europe up until the early modern era. Medical researchers developed a better understanding of anatomy after the invention of microscopes in the 17th century and cellular research in the 19th century. Sigmund Freud’s theory of the free-floating unconscious, the “mind within the mind”, was similar to the ancient belief in the “animal within the animal”. Both “wandering womb” and “hysteria” are unused in medical theories of today.

     

  17. I do have a book about the life and religion of mohammed

    maybe when I get around to reading it I’ll get some clues about that question you raised

  18. Mind is dominant over matter. Spirit is dominant over mind. Always. The body, and its issues, can only affect a weak, immature and undisciplined mind in a personality who desires it to do so.

    So, if I understand correctly, all people who have or are suffering from some medical issue or physical issue, like a Brain Aneurysm, where a portion of their brain no longer functions, can be cured through the minds domination of matter or, can regrow limbs etc.?  Not to mention, that those individuals who suffer from some mental disability are only “weak, immature and undisciplined”?

    Hysteria in females was once believed to be caused by a wandering, or misaligned uterus. Many hysterectomies were performed with the hope of healing crazy women. Obviously, the idea is ridiculous, but it did result in the invention of the vibrator as a cure for female hysteria.

    I presented the information in my post in such a way as to leave it open for interpretation, but it had nothing to do with what was assumed here.  I will lookup the material and post it, if you wish more precise information and confirmed documentation, with case studies?  To quick to assume or find fault, par for the coarse.  You really can’t ask questions, to get a more defined definition when a response or post, is not understood.  Would you like a detailed explanation of what I posted, you’d be surprised at the information?

  19. It seems to me that the phenomenon of mind dominance of matter is poorly understood by some.  Mind intervenes between matter and spirit.  Being in the “center” of reality, mind has the ability to look both ways.   Therefore, mind is the mechanism by which matter can be controlled and eventually dominated by spirit.

    (1110.11) 101:5.8 3. The human mind, the mechanism for intercommunication and interassociation between spirit and matter, between the material and the spiritual.

    Mind governed by personality has the opportunity to choose between allowing physical matter to have its way, or allowing spirit to dominate its relationship to physical matter.  Mind cannot perform feats of magic in the realm of physical matter.  It cannot operate outside the laws of physics, but it can modify physical reality, within those laws, for its own benefit.

    111:6.5 When man wishes to modify physical reality, be it himself or his environment, he succeeds to the extent that he has discovered the ways and means of controlling matter and directing energy. Unaided mind is impotent to influence anything material save its own physical mechanism, with which it is inescapably linked. But through the intelligent use of the body mechanism, mind can create other mechanisms, even energy relationships and living relationships, by the utilization of which this mind can increasingly control and even dominate its physical level in the universe.

    90:3.1 Modern man attacks his material problems directly; he recognizes that matter is responsive to the intelligent manipulation of mind. 

    Physical handicaps, which can also affect the brain, may cause delays but cannot affect spirit.

    116:5.15 The spirit struggles of time and space have to do with the evolution of spirit dominance over matter by the mediation of (personal) mind; the physical (nonpersonal) evolution of the universes has to do with bringing cosmic energy into harmony with the equilibrium concepts of mind subject to the overcontrol of spirit.

    65:8.5 In the cosmic evolutionary laboratories mind is always dominant over matter, and spirit is ever correlated with mind. Failure of these diverse endowments to synchronize and co-ordinate may cause time delays, but if the individual really knows God and desires to find him and become like him, then survival is assured regardless of the handicaps of time. Physical status may handicap mind, and mental perversity may delay spiritual attainment, but none of these obstacles can defeat the whole-souled choice of will.

    If ever there was a greater example of mind dominance over the body it is Stephen Hawking.  His body is essentially useless, but his mind is in control.  I’m not sure if spirit has gained dominance in his mind, but there is certainly always hope.  It is important in the growth of self-mastery to progress in both mind control over matter and spirit dominance of mind.  One way to accomplish control over one’s mind is prayer.  We are told that prayer cannot heal all diseases, but it can heal mental attitudes toward disease, which I’m sure is something that Stephen Hawking has accomplished on some level.

    91:6.2 Prayer is not a technique for curing real and organic diseases, but it has contributed enormously to the enjoyment of abundant health and to the cure of numerous mental, emotional, and nervous ailments. And even in actual bacterial disease, prayer has many times added to the efficacy of other remedial procedures. Prayer has turned many an irritable and complaining invalid into a paragon of patience and made him an inspiration to all other human sufferers.

    Prayer is a way to improve spirit dominance over mind, which gives it the power to dominate matter, more or less defying material gravity.  A mind succumbing to the physical level of existence becomes more susceptible to material gravity and less susceptible to spiritual gravity.  Only that which is responsive to spiritual gravity can survive, and prayer is one way to connect to spiritual gravity.  Spirituality is measured inversely to physical gravity response.

    (140.6) 12:8.10 1. Matter. Organized energy which is subject to linear gravity except as it is modified by motion and conditioned by mind.

    (140.7) 12:8.11 2. Mind. Organized consciousness which is not wholly subject to material gravity, and which becomes truly liberated when modified by spirit.

    (140.8) 12:8.12 3. Spirit. The highest personal reality. True spirit is not subject to physical gravity but eventually becomes the motivating influence of all evolving energy systems of

    42:11.4 The higher mind levels of the universe — the spirit-mind levels — may also be nonspatial, but the levels of material mind, such as human mind, are responsive to the interactions of universe gravitation, losing this response only in proportion to spirit identification. Spirit-reality levels are recognized by their spirit content, and spirituality in time and space is measured inversely to the linear-gravity response.

    1:3.7  Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer eventual personality extinction; mind yielded to spirit is destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to attain survival and eternity of personality existence.

    Mind universally dominates matter.  A mind incapable of dominating matter is not a mind.  There may be electrochemical brain activity, but without volition, without personality, without mind ministry, it is only an energy system destined to disintegrate according to the laws of physics.  Dust to dust. Dust not subjected to the over control of living and personal mind is just dust.

    42:10.1 This eternal cycle of energy, being circuited in the Father of universes, is absolute and, being absolute, is expansile in neither fact nor value; nevertheless the Primal Father is even now — as always — self-realizing of an ever-expanding arena of time-space, and of time-space-transcended, meanings, an arena of changing relationships wherein energy-matter is being progressively subjected to the overcontrol of living and divine spirit through the experiential striving of living and personal mind.

    Earlier we were talking about the Greek influence on philosophy and religion.  The Greeks considered the material creation to be a shadow of a more real and lasting spiritual substance.  TUB tells us that this idea has significance, but it does not negate the reality of physical matter nor diminish its relevance. It simply puts physical reality in its proper place in terms of value.  Clearly, spiritual reality has more value than material reality in terms of quality. Spirit substance is value and quality, which is why it lasts.

    12:8.16 And so your Greek figure of speech — the material as the shadow of the more real spirit substance — does have a philosophic significance.

    12:8.15 In cosmic evolution matter becomes a philosophic shadow cast by mind in the presence of spirit luminosity of divine enlightenment, but this does not invalidate the reality of matter-energy. Mind, matter, and spirit are equally real, but they are not of equal value to personality in the attainment of divinity. Consciousness of divinity is a progressive spiritual experience.

    7:1.3 Spirit realities respond to the drawing power of the center of spiritual gravity in accordance with their qualitative value, their actual degree of spirit nature. Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body.

    And this is why it is so important to grow in self-control, mastery over one’s material self by doing God’s will (spiritual dominance).  This is the transfer of dominance we are all working towards.  It is the purpose of the psychic or cosmic circles and part of the evolution of Supremacy.  It must be done.  Physical handicaps may delay in terms of time, but the work still must be done.  Fortunately, mind can defy time to a certain extent, and that is a blessing. It is also why Jesus refused to put limits on creative human imagination; he came to give the soul wings and freedom to fly untethered to its shadow.

    12:5.5 Man’s mind is less time-bound than space-bound because of the inherent nature of mind. Even during the days of the earth life in the flesh, though man’s mind is rigidly space-bound, the creative human imagination is comparatively time free. But time itself is not genetically a quality of mind.

    179:5.4 He did not wish to destroy the individual’s concept of divine communion by establishing a precise form; neither did he desire to limit the believer’s spiritual imagination by formally cramping it. He rather sought to set man’s reborn soul free upon the joyous wings of a new and living spiritual liberty.

  20. 65:8.5 In the cosmic evolutionary laboratories mind is always dominant over matter, and spirit is ever correlated with mind. Failure of these diverse endowments to synchronize and co-ordinate may cause time delays, but if the individual really knows God and desires to find him and become like him, then survival is assured regardless of the handicaps of time. Physical status may handicap mind, and mental perversity may delay spiritual attainment, but none of these obstacles can defeat the whole-souled choice of will.

    (740.2) 65:8.6 When physical conditions are ripe, sudden mental evolutions may take place; when mind status is propitious, sudden spiritual transformations may occur; when spiritual values receive proper recognition, then cosmic meanings become discernible, and increasingly the personality is released from the handicaps of time and delivered from the limitations of space.

    (739.8) 65:8.4 As mind evolution is dependent on, and delayed by, the slow development of physical conditions, so is spiritual progress dependent on mental expansion and unfailingly delayed by intellectual retardation. But this does not mean that spiritual evolution is dependent on education, culture, or wisdom. The soul may evolve regardless of mental culture but not in the absence of mental capacity and desire — the choice of survival and the decision to achieve ever-increasing perfection — to do the will of the Father in heaven. Although survival may not depend on the possession of knowledge and wisdom, progression most certainly does.

     

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