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34 posts · 9 participants · started Feb 8, 2015, 1:37 AM

  1. Therefore, if any of us are making idols of the book, you are as well.

    Idols cannot be questioned. I do not make an idol of TUB because I question it, here and there.

    You and your friends cannot question TUB because the idol you have made of it cannot be questioned.

    I do not believe we are. But the point is, Louis, if YOU believe we are, then you should first remove the beam from your own eye before attempting to remove the mote from ours.

    I do not presume to attempt removal of the mote from your eyes. That you must do yourself.

  2. How in the world can you presume to know whether I, or any of us here, ever questions TUB?  Just because we don’t post questions on every thread doesn’t mean we never ask them.

    It is clear you are much more interested in studying all of us who post here, rather than in studying TUB.  It’s flattering, really; but, at least in my case, your time could be much better spent elsewhere.

  3. How in the world can you presume to know whether I, or any of us here, ever questions TUB?  Just because we don’t post questions on every thread doesn’t mean we never ask them.

    By ‘questioning’ I do not mean asking questions but challenging the bias therein. I have not seen any challenges as to the veracity of the text by your click although I may have missed it, as you say.

    It is clear you are much more interested in studying all of us who post here, rather than in studying TUB.  It’s flattering, really; but, at least in my case, your time could be much better spent elsewhere.

    You are spot on Keryn. I would rather be a “fisher of men” than a ‘book worm’. Worms are for hooks to be used by the fisherman. Would you rather study a dead set of words, or the a living brother who is indwelled with a fragment of The Father?

  4. Throughout my first reading of TUB, over a period of 5 months, I was continuously assessing the veracity of the book and working to understand any bias that it may contain.  Two years later and now well into my third reading of the book, I have moved beyond that and the book has become very much alive to me; moreso than any other book I have ever experienced.

    You have your experience,  I have mine.  You presume to know how others use the book but you do not know.

  5. By ‘questioning’ I do not mean asking questions but challenging the bias therein. I have not seen any challenges as to the veracity of the text by your click although I may have missed it, as you say.

    In the manor indicated “By ‘questioning'”, would your inherent intention therein to challenge “bias”, “a particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned”, also apply to your own “bias”?  Where, I understand your inclination to pry away one’s personal understanding of the narration within the UB from a cloned articulation, sometimes without personal understanding as to the authors reason(s) for its presentation, with a possible alternative insight to the context, where it would seem that your approach borders on an alternate definition of “bias”, in that “to cause to hold or exhibit a particular bias; to influence, especially unfairly” that which is personal opinion, regardless of purpose.

    I can see the potential in such a motive but, to do so without your own personal injection of the interpretation of the UB text, where you have presented some, to little avail because, I believe you have not presented a full case for your arguments presented, which may be do to another definition of “bias” where an “unreasonably hostile feelings or opinions about a social group; prejudice”, where it may [not] have been received without “bias”.  Nevertheless, regarding your current general position, regarding the UB, seems to have changed from previous contributions.

    . . . I would rather be a “fisher of men” then a ‘book worm’. Worms are for hooks to be used by the fisherman. Would you rather study a dead set of words, or the a living brother who is indwelled with a fragment of The Father?

    Question, Manny – is your mention above, “a living brother who is indwelled with a fragment” a brother who is spiritually fused with the Father, or just has a TA?  Where in your preference to “rather be a ‘fisher of men'”, would that not have come from a book, where your alternative “rather” . . . “then a ‘book worm'” be somewhat hypocritical, to some degree?

  6. Hi Midi, thanks for the opportunity to clarify and define my terms.

    In the manor indicated “By ‘questioning’”, would your inherent intention therein to challenge “bias”, “a particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned”, also apply to your own “bias”?

    All person are biased in that they have unique experience and are unique in personality, human or divine. The bestower of personality is bias free and no respecter of persons. Of course I do not exclude myself from bias and I freely admit it. But I also acknowledge that since God is no respecter of persons that my bias is every bit as valid as that of any other creature in the universe because God has said so. I humble myself before God, with brothers I may exhibit meekness and deference as I see fit. I consider myself a reasonable person and so I hold my biases as being reasonable. My biases are not preconceived because I cannot hold a bias until I have given it thought.

    Where, I understand your inclination to pry away one’s personal understanding of the narration within the UB from a cloned articulation, sometimes without personal understanding as to the authors reason(s) for its presentation, with a possible alternative insight to the context, where it would seem that your approach borders on an alternate definition of “bias”, in that “to cause to hold or exhibit a particular bias; to influence, especially unfairly” that which is personal opinion, regardless of purpose.

    I have every right to tap into the cosmic mind as anyone else. There is diversity of thought and I identify with that diversity. I have no personal understanding of the book’s authors because I do not know them personally and words in the text is devoid of personality or life. I have no influence on anyone, fairly or unfairly, because I have no access into anyone’s mind. My purpose is not without regard, it is to do the Will of God and to be the Will of God.

    I can see the potential in such a motive but, to do so without your own personal injection of the interpretation of the UB text, where you have presented some, to little avail because, I believe you have not presented a full case for your arguments presented, which may be do to another definition of “bias” where an “unreasonably hostile feelings or opinions about a social group; prejudice”, where it may [not] have been received without “bias”.  Nevertheless, regarding your current general position, regarding the UB, seems to have changed from previous contributions.

    I do not interpret TUB, I take it at face value. I cannot interpret that which is static and dead as are words on paper. I can interpret another person through the lens of my bias, I admit.

    It is not my purpose to present a case for argument and I cannot take responsibility for another’s reaction to me or what I write on this blog.

    If nothing else, I evolve and change. I am not of a stagnant mind. I acknowledge this and offer no defense for it. It is called ‘progress’. Those that keep quoting the same things from TUB change not. We can make no progress towards perfection without change.

    Question, Manny – is your mention above, “a living brother who is indwelled with a fragment” a brother who is spiritually fused with the Father, or just has a TA?  Where in your preference to “rather be a ‘fisher of men’”, would that not have come from a book, where your alternative “rather” . . . “then a ‘book worm’” be somewhat hypocritical, to some degree?

    Fused or not, we have access to our TA. The TA is in our mind. I deny hypocrisy here where have stated above because I freely acknowledge that I use TUB as a text. I do not consider TUB as a living revelation because it is not a person that changes and evolves. I do not make an idol of TUB. I do not practice medicine ‘by the book’. That would be insane when one has to minister to persons that do not read the book.

  7. All person are biased in that they have unique experience and are unique in personality, human or divine. The bestower of personality is bias free and no respecter of persons. Of course I do not exclude myself from bias and I freely admit it. But I also acknowledge that since God is no respecter of persons that my bias is every bit as valid as that of any other creature in the universe because God has said so. I humble myself before God, with brothers I may exhibit meekness and deference as I see fit. I consider myself a reasonable person and so I hold my biases as being reasonable. My biases are not preconceived because I cannot hold a bias until I have given it thought.

    Manny, not “all person[s] are biased”, but as you say are more “unique” and therefore those “unique experiences” make them different, one from another, therefore each should be considered and addressed uniquely, based on the addressors understanding of their personality.  One might say that we cannot perceive another’s personality, but this is not true, even though not absolute perception, in that personality profiling is used in criminal investigations in order to better understand a motive of operation or action.  Yet, you state that “The bestower of personality is bias free and no respecter of persons”, yet this is an attribute of God, and I am sure that you do not put yourself above or equal to God, regardless of perceived deity.  We are still human, and “to ere, is human, forgive divine.”

    I have every right to tap into the cosmic mind as anyone else. There is diversity of thought and I identify with that diversity. I have no personal understanding of the book’s authors because I do not know them personally and words in the text is devoid of personality or life. I have no influence on anyone, fairly or unfairly, because I have no access into anyone’s mind. My purpose is not without regard, it is to do the Will of God and to be the Will of God.

    What you state above is mostly true, but how do you know that you can even “tap into the cosmic mind”?  The cosmic mind has an endless number of channels and they may overlap those which border any one specific bandwidth, so bleed through or bleed over can make understanding difficult.  There are a few UB quotes which describe this, and how to overcome this specific issue, but if you assimilate the cosmic mind as a possible interface used by the Thought Adjuster, you may be mistaken, where the Thought Adjuster is just that, when in tone with the TA, it provides the appropriate adjustments to the mind’s arena of thought, to isolate those overlapping bandwidths as to a more personal interpretation to the individual.

    I do not interpret TUB, I take it at face value. I cannot interpret that which is static and dead as are words on paper. I can interpret another person through the lens of my bias, I admit.

    It is not my purpose to present a case for argument and I cannot take responsibility for another’s reaction to me or what I write on this blog.

    If nothing else, I evolve and change. I am not of a stagnant mind. I acknowledge this and offer no defense for it. It is called ‘progress’. Those that keep quoting the same things from TUB change not. We can make no progress towards perfection without change.

    Manny, if you take the UB “at face value”, then why have you written a book, regarding it scientific content?  If your interpretation is from “face value” then what you have perceived from the science in the UB should require no affirmation or differentiation.

    If you do not “present a case for argument” or debate, then why present your view point which seems to be perceived as an argument.  If this is true, then those who would disagree with any persons responses, are you advocating that those individuals just ignore your posts?

    Actually Manny, those repetitive UB quote posts, actually do change, if you take into consideration that the authors have indicated that from time to time many words should be looked up in the dictionary, because their meanings seem to change, or have been expanded over time.  And perfection can only be achieved by the individual where “perfection” is not a requirement to achieving “light and life”, where its opposite is darkness and death.  “Walk towards the light” Manny, Ha-ha-ha.

    Fused or not, we have access to our TA. The TA is in our mind. I deny hypocrisy here where have stated above because I freely acknowledge that I use TUB as a text. I do not consider TUB as a living revelation because it is not a person that changes and evolves. I do not make an idol of TUB. I do not practice medicine ‘by the book’. That would be insane when one has to minister to persons that do not read the book.

    I agree that the Urantia Book is not a person, and if a revelation, then it would be specific to individuals, therefore may not be specifically meant for you but, then I would assume that you could say the same thing, regarding the Bible and other text.  Regarding the TA, not everyone has a Thought Adjuster; this is explained in the UB, so are you really sure that you have one?

    I’m glade that you “do not practice medicine ‘by the book'” because every patient must be treated as an individual and would not necessarily be described in the pages of those books, but then the practice of medicine would seem to be arbitrary in that why would one “practice” instead of apply known science.  “First of all, do no harm.”

     

     

  8. Manny, not “all person[s] are biased”

    I qualified that statement by saying that the bestower of personality is not biased. Bias is merely having a point of view that is unique because of a unique personality and experiences had through that personality.

    One might say that we cannot perceive another’s personality, but this is not true, even though not absolute perception, in that personality profiling is used in criminal investigations in order to better understand a motive of operation or action.

    We do not perceive personalities we recognize personality. Profiling is inexact to the extreme, yet can be helpful.

    Yet, you state that “The bestower of personality is bias free and no respecter of persons”, yet this is an attribute of God, and I am sure that you do not put yourself above or equal to God, regardless of perceived deity.  We are still human, and “to ere, is human, forgive divine.”

    The Father bestows personality and therefore has no bias as to persons. I am not sure what you have written here. Of course this is an attribute of God. We are human indeed and we must forgive our brother in order to fully receive forgiveness for ourselves. God forgives before being asked.

    What you state above is mostly true, but how do you know that you can even “tap into the cosmic mind”?

    To anyone willing, on can exchange your mind for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth. This is the cosmic mind, and availing yourself of its utility is a matter of will and will alone. The cosmic mind needs no interpretation because it speaks directly.

    Manny, if you take the UB “at face value”, then why have you written a book, regarding it scientific content?

    Because I take TUB at face value. I do not believe that it contains lies, only biases (points of view).

    If your interpretation is from “face value” then what you have perceived from the science in the UB should require no affirmation or differentiation.

    It is not my interpretation, I take TUB as axiomatic. Axioms are givens, self-evident truths. No affirmation or differentiation is required at all.

    If you do not “present a case for argument” or debate, then why present your view point which seems to be perceived as an argument.

    It must be purely your perception, not my intent. An argument means one is desirous of a victory. I don’t much care for arguments because any winning is but a pyrrhic victory.

    If this is true, then those who would disagree with any persons responses, are you advocating that those individuals just ignore your posts?

    Everyone is free to engage in a discussion or simply ignore a post, yes. There is but a couple handfuls of persons writing on this forum, the rest are not engaging or simply ignoring the posts, take your pick.

    Actually Manny, those repetitive UB quote posts, actually do change, if you take into consideration that the authors have indicated that from time to time many words should be looked up in the dictionary, because their meanings seem to change, or have been expanded over time.  And perfection can only be achieved by the individual where “perfection” is not a requirement to achieving “light and life”, where its opposite is darkness and death.  “Walk towards the light” Manny, Ha-ha-ha.

    The words do not change but the reader does change. A person gives meaning to words, they have no meaning themselves.

    It is wise to walk towards the light but equally wise to not walk alone. One must walk hand in hand with ones bother in faith. The kingdom of heaven is at hand but cannot be entered alone, but as an individual with brothers in hand.

    I agree that the Urantia Book is not a person, and if a revelation, then it would be specific to individuals, therefore may not be specifically meant for you but, then I would assume that you could say the same thing, regarding the Bible and other text.

    Yes.

    Regarding the TA, not everyone has a Thought Adjuster; this is explained in the UB, so are you really sure that you have one?

    Yes.

    but then the practice of medicine would seem to be arbitrary in that why would one “practice” instead of apply known science.  “First of all, do no harm.”

    There is no such animal as “known science”. There are only currently practiced standards of care. Medicine is an art that utilizes current modalities of treatments that are based on research and statistics. These modalities are constantly changing and reflect the latest information available. No harm can come of anything in a universe where God reigns.

  9. Forgive me Manny, for not having continued my response replies, where the hour was getting late.  Nevertheless, there are a few point which I might address.

    MidiChlorian wrote: One might say that we cannot perceive another’s personality, but this is not true, even though not absolute perception, in that personality profiling is used in criminal investigations in order to better understand a motive of operation or action.

    We do not perceive personalities we recognize personality. Profiling is inexact to the extreme, yet can be helpful.

    As I indicated in my statement above, personality profiling is not an absolute science but, there are individuals who can take even written responses from arbitrary conversations or even written responses, and deduce a specific personal attitude which is working in an individuals mindset or even intention to purpose.  There are many tools used today to help various professionals in making personality assessments, the most common to the past is the MMPI, yet I prefer the underlying premise to Myers-Briggs, myself.  Where even on these Blogs, a person with experience, can insightfully read a persons underlying meaning as to the way they respond to specific query, or statements.  As you say, it “can be helpful.”

    MidiChlorian wrote: What you state above is mostly true, but how do you know that you can even “tap into the cosmic mind”?

    To anyone willing, on[e] can exchange your mind for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth. This is the cosmic mind, and availing yourself of its utility is a matter of will and will alone. The cosmic mind needs no interpretation because it speaks directly.

    I’m not sure that the statement in the UB, regarding the ability to “exchange your mind for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth”, should be taken literally, fore if this were an absolute truism, then those who would prevail to do so, would be more reminiscent of His general presentation, and would have overlaid His with theirs, and would have little showing of their own personality showing.  Nevertheless, one might perceive that this statement may imply that the “mind of Jesus” would be an impression taken in by Jesus’ life and teachings, where it is there to assimilate.

    MidiChlorian wrote: If you do not “present a case for argument” or debate, then why present your view point which seems to be perceived as an argument.

    It must be purely your perception, not my intent. An argument means one is desirous of a victory. I don’t much care for arguments because any winning is but a pyrrhic victory.

    Yes, I do perceive that in many cases some of your replies are meant to be argumentative, but I look at them more so as an opportunity for a good debate.  I seek no “victory”, only an opportunity to present my opinion or evidence for the subject being presented, and when possible, to learn from this type of engagement, for the benefit to myself and acquire experience as to how other persons think.  Where, I know how I think, but in order to get a general idea of how others are thinking, along the same subject lines, their responses give me a parallel for comparison.

    MidiChlorian wrote: but then the practice of medicine would seem to be arbitrary in that why would one “practice” instead of apply known science. “First of all, do no harm.”

    There is no such animal as “known science”. There are only currently practiced standards of care. Medicine is an art that utilizes current modalities of treatments that are based on research and statistics. These modalities are constantly changing and reflect the latest information available. No harm can come of anything in a universe where God reigns.

    I beg to differ, regarding “known science” when it comes to biophysics and the human organism.  Although, that which is written in those books, earlier mentioned, I prefer “Merck Manual”, and “eMedicine” narratives myself, which I use prior to visiting a Physician, and attempt to ascertain their abilities through their understanding of any specialty they profess too.  You would be surprised how many Medical Specialists acquired their specialist status by taking supplemental add on courses after hours, just to be able to get a higher co-pay but, notwithstanding, “Medicine is [not] an art”, it is a science applied to human beings, where each human is different and even when those books indicate “current modalities of treatments” regardless of “statistics”, which constantly change, day to day, as you say, a Physician would need to take most of their time reading all of the research in order to be on top of their game or Art.

    You state that “No harm can come of anything in a universe where God reigns.”  What universe are you living in?  Because, if this is true, then God is not reigning in this universe, because I have seen and partaken of too much pain, suffering and death in this one.  There is some truth in the saying, “Physician, heal thyself.”

     

  10. As I indicated in my statement above, personality profiling is not an absolute science but, there are individuals who can take even written responses from arbitrary conversations or even written responses, and deduce a specific personal attitude which is working in an individuals mindset or even intention to purpose.  There are many tools used today to help various professionals in making personality assessments, the most common to the past is the MMPI, yet I prefer the underlying premise to Myers-Briggs, myself.  Where even on these Blogs, a person with experience, can insightfully read a persons underlying meaning as to the way they respond to specific query, or statements.  As you say, it “can be helpful.”

    I disagree. These tests are bogus. Perhaps face to face assessments are helpful but I find the field of psychology to be largely irrelevant.

    I’m not sure that the statement in the UB, regarding the ability to “exchange your mind for the mind of Jesus of Nazareth”, should be taken literally, fore if this were an absolute truism, then those who would prevail to do so, would be more reminiscent of His general presentation, and would have overlaid His with theirs, and would have little showing of their own personality showing.  Nevertheless, one might perceive that this statement may imply that the “mind of Jesus” would be an impression taken in by Jesus’ life and teachings, where it is there to assimilate.

    I think it should be taken literally. Mind is not personality. Minds can be shared.

    Yes, I do perceive that in many cases some of your replies are meant to be argumentative, but I look at them more so as an opportunity for a good debate.  I seek no “victory”, only an opportunity to present my opinion or evidence for the subject being presented, and when possible, to learn from this type of engagement, for the benefit to myself and acquire experience as to how other persons think.  Where, I know how I think, but in order to get a general idea of how others are thinking, along the same subject lines, their responses give me a parallel for comparison.

    I prefer the word “provocative” to the word “argumentative”. My intent is to provoke deeper thinking.

    I beg to differ, regarding “known science” when it comes to biophysics and the human organism.  Although, that which is written in those books, earlier mentioned, I prefer “Merck Manual”, and “eMedicine” narratives myself, which I use prior to visiting a Physician, and attempt to ascertain their abilities through their understanding of any specialty they profess too.  You would be surprised how many Medical Specialists acquired their specialist status by taking supplemental add on courses after hours, just to be able to get a higher co-pay but, notwithstanding, “Medicine is [not] an art”, it is a science applied to human beings, where each human is different and even when those books indicate “current modalities of treatments” regardless of “statistics”, which constantly change, day to day, as you say, a Physician would need to take most of their time reading all of the research in order to be on top of their game or Art.

    We are in complete disagreement on this topic. I was a biomedical engineer, was in academic medicine and a researcher for a while and in private for the last 20 years. I can tell you that we know very little about anything. If you think otherwise then you have swallowed the propaganda jagged little pill. Reading research papers and articles is forced upon the physician to maintain licensure and board certification. It is a racket to make money and says nothing of the competence of a physician. I pray at each patient encounter because I really so not know how to help a patient without God. Don’t hang your hat on science, for it is a false idol.

    You state that “No harm can come of anything in a universe where God reigns.”  What universe are you living in?  Because, if this is true, then God is not reigning in this universe, because I have seen and partaken of too much pain, suffering and death in this one.  There is some truth in the saying, “Physician, heal thyself.”

    I live in God and He resides in eternity. You must not be bitter, Midi. All tears are wiped away in eternity. Did not Jesus suffer pain and suffering and death? I cannot heal myself or anyone else. Only God heals.

  11. A young boy was torn from his parents at the age of three. His large and extended family was in a struggle against Godless authoritarian thugs. Many in the family were imprisoned, tortured, and raped. Some were killed by firing squad in Cabanas at “the wall”.

    The crime, opposition.

    A four year old in America rushes to the phone whenever it rings to ask the person on the line if they had seen or heard of his mother. He was losing memory of her face and was desperately searching for her. He had a picture of her and studies it so as to never forget.

    One day a strange man greets the boy with great familiarity and love. The boy is afraid of the stranger that shows such love. He will never be able to call him ‘Dad’.

    This boy becomes obsessed with perfection in hopes that God will not punish him further. Perfect report cards, perfect behavior and perfect attendance record, perfect effort.

    This obsessed boy had his first perfect breakdown just before Easter in kindergarden when he become inconsolable crying and whaling. A kind and beautiful teacher asked what was wrong. The boy confessed. He had no clue about how to color Easter eggs. She calmingly reassured the boy that he would be shown how. This same boy got a bad start in the Lutheran kindergarden when “interrogated” earlier in the year at the school office as to whether he was baptized. The boy did not know the word and became afraid that he did not belong there.

    At the age of 22, the boy, now a man, was starting clinical rotations after having completed medical didactics and ‘mastering’ the textbooks. This man was confronted with his second breakdown when exposed to the pain and suffering, and death he witness on the ‘wards’. The textbooks and the knowledge acquired in the past 22 years were worthless to him now. It seemed hopeless and he felt helpless as to how he was to make a difference in the lives of these of diseased and suffering people. No one could show him how to color Easter eggs now, except One.

    The man gave up the obsession with being perfect and began to pursue ‘perfecting in love’. There was no deadlines now and no test dates. There were no more textbooks. There was no more reading for this task of perfecting in love.

    There was only hope, and hope springs eternal. Eternity is the answer to all dis-ease. Thank God we all live in Him.

  12. Beloved friends and readers of the Fifth Epochal Revelation,

    I want to draw your attention to the admonition contained in my first post for this thread. The moderators of this forum have a duty to ensure that all participants adhere to the forum’s rules and guidelines which have been put in place to preserve a spirit of peace, respect, and friendship for participants and observers to this site. We do our best not to be intrusive or heavy-handed but sometimes we have to take disciplinary action when individuals persist in violating those rules even after being given a clear warning concerning their behaviour. This has become necessary over the past 24 hours. Sometimes we are criticised for our tardiness or for not being firm enough. Inevitably we get the balance wrong sometimes.

    I also want to acknowledge that some of you have exercised great patience and forbearance in the face of strong provocation and while being subjected to personal attack. In so doing, you have demonstrated that you are disciples of our Master who “treat(s) us all with equal kindness” and “is invariably tender and compassionate”. P.1785:3

    It is the moderators’ hope that all who come to this site will truly enjoy their experience as they help one another to gain a greater appreciation and understanding of this extraordinary gift from above.

    Blessings to you all!

  13. I also want to acknowledge that some of you have exercised great patience and forbearance in the face of strong provocation and while being subjected to personal attack. In so doing, you have demonstrated that you are disciples of our Master who “treat(s) us all with equal kindness” and “is invariably tender and compassionate”. P.1785:3 It is the moderators’ hope that all who come to this site will truly enjoy their experience as they help one another to gain a greater appreciation and understanding of this extraordinary gift from above. Blessings to you all!

    Dear Mods…and friends and fellow students,

    Just a note of thanks for the work of those who volunteer here to provide this gathering place and for those who support it financially.  For myself, I must confess that standing in the storm of acrimony and chaos is not a bad thing (time to time that is) as it provides opportunity for the exercise of my response-ability in the midst of confusion, consternation, ego-defense, and a whole spectrum of emotion and uncertainty.  If we are to learn to feast and fatten on such fare, then we must be served such a banquet.  Indeed, we are taught two principles for consideration:  first, that the Thought Adjuster and the Guardians literally conspire to place all pilgrims of time and space into situations and circumstances which offer the opportunity for truth discovery and experience in the vicissitudes and edges of conflict for our education and progress in spirit; second, the better we get at our response-ability, new and greater challenges will be presented according to our greater response-ability so learned.

    So I think we should all seek out the lessons of opportunity as they present themselves without avoidance or annoyance to “see” and “hear” what is before us and for us in this journey of learning.   We will have further such opportunities here to learn thereby the truth and to be true to our inner guide and according to our citizenship in this glorious and friendly universe.  But I have only myself to manage.  The mods here have a far greater responsibility to the audience and the forum and its diverse group of “owners” and “financiers” and posters and guests.  Not easy.  Their gracious welcome and guidance and moderation are inspiring to me.  Thanks for your service to us all.

    And a big thanks for the many examples I have been offered here by other students facing the same edges of conflict.  Your response-ability is a great example and inspiration to me as well.  To see a group harmonize in the midst of contention is a lamp of illumination upon the pilgrim’s path for all others as we journey together.  Peace.

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  14. As we share in the fellowship of the Spirit of Truth, let us always bear in mind these words of exhortation from our Master: “Anger is a material manifestation which represents, in a general way, the measure of the failure of the spiritual nature to gain control of the combined intellectual and physical natures. Anger indicates your lack of tolerant brotherly love plus your lack of self-respect and self-control. Anger depletes the health, debases the mind, and handicaps the spirit teacher of man’s soul. Have you not read in the Scriptures that wrath kills the foolish man,’ and that man tears himself in his anger’? That he who is slow of wrath is of great understanding,’ while he who is hasty of temper exalts folly’? You all know that a soft answer turns away wrath,’ and how grievous words stir up anger.’ Discretion defers anger,’ while he who has no control over his own self is like a defenseless city without walls.’ Wrath is cruel and anger is outrageous.’Angry men stir up strife, while the furious multiply their transgressions.’ `Be not hasty in spirit, for anger rests in the bosom of fools.’” Before Jesus ceased speaking, he said further: “Let your hearts be so dominated by love that your spirit guide will have little trouble in delivering you from the tendency to give vent to those outbursts of animal anger which are inconsistent with the status of divine sonship.” P.1673:2

    Words, written and spoken, do matter in conveying what a person thinks.  Words convey many flavors of thought.  My grandmother used to say – if you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.  When grown up I set my mind to try to figure out why some people are so disagreeable, but to no avail.  I can’t possibly know the whys and wherefores.  But there is a real motive.

     

    111:7:2   May I admonish you to heed the distant echo of the Adjuster’s faithful call to your soul? The indwelling Adjuster cannot stop or even materially alter your career struggle of time; the Adjuster cannot lessen the hardships of life as you journey on through this world of toil. The divine indweller can only patiently forbear while you fight the battle of life as it is lived on your planet; but you could, if you only would — as you work and worry, as you fight and toil — permit the valiant Adjuster to fight with you and for you. You could be so comforted and inspired, so enthralled and intrigued, if you would only allow the Adjuster constantly to bring forth the pictures of the real motive, the final aim, and the eternal purpose of all this difficult, uphill struggle with the commonplace problems of your present material world.

     

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