27 posts · 7 participants · started Jul 30, 2014, 6:06 PM
180:3.7 When Jesus heard Thomas, he answered: “Thomas, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man goes to the Father except through me. All who find the Father, first find me. If you know me, you know the way to the Father.
When Michael became a Master Creator Son new potentials were actualized in our universe that illuminate a path to eternity through him. Is anyone interested in discussing the meaning of this powerful quote?
Hello again Bonita,
This is definitely worth exploring. I would be interested in hearing commentary about this topic. Knowing that the Spirit of Truth ( Michael’s Spirit ), in difference to all the other spirit forces in and around us, will TEACH and GUIDE us all the way to the Father’s spiritual presence, then it stands to reason that will become well aquatinted with his Spirit before leaving Nebadon. The basic understanding I have Bonita.
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And yet, not all worlds have the Spirit of Truth, do they? Was this said for our world or all worlds? And, if not by the ministry of the Spirit of Truth he gave us, then what is the meaning? The Creator Sons blaze the trail for their creations to Paradise and demonstrate/represent the Father to those creations. How does a Master Son differ in that regard?
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Bradly wrote: How does a Master Son differ in that regard?
A Master Michael is a revelation of the Supreme. I think your question about other worlds without the Spirit of Truth is worth exploring. Do you have any ideas?
Bernard Gabriel Belarski wrote: Knowing that the Spirit of Truth ( Michael’s Spirit ), in difference to all the other spirit forces in and around us, will TEACH and GUIDE us all the way to the Father’s spiritual presence, then it stands to reason that will become well aquatinted with his Spirit before leaving Nebadon.
Yes, that’s right. But you don’t become well acquainted with the Spirit, you become well acquainted with Michael, and it begins right here on earth.
2061:02 Do not make the mistake of expecting to become strongly intellectually conscious of the outpoured Spirit of Truth. The spirit never creates a consciousness of himself, only a consciousness of Michael, the Son.
p1286:7 117:5.9 When you leave the domains of the local universe, through the ministry of the spirit of the emerging Supreme Being and through the provisions of superuniverse reflectivity, you will still be guided in your Paradise ascent by the comforting directive spirit of the Paradise bestowal Sons of God.
I’m curious. Does anyone on this forum believe that people who do not confess to be followers of Jesus will be denied ascension?
Couldn’t believe that if you’ve read the Revelation!! Well….read it and believe it that is.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Yes, that’s right. But you don’t become well acquainted with the Spirit, you become well acquainted with Michael, and it begins right here on earth.
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Perhaps I misspoke, The Incarnation and Bestowal life of Michael was lived for all mortals throughout Nebadon.
The quote below is the counsel of Immanuel. This Trinity personality in Nebadon advises Michael.
(1328.4) 120:2.7 “7. In all that you may perform on the world of your bestowal, bear constantly in mind that you are living a life for the instruction and edification of all your universe. You are <em style=”color: #000000;”>bestowing this life of mortal incarnation upon Urantia, but you are to <em style=”color: #000000;”>live such a life for the spiritual inspiration of every human and superhuman intelligence that has lived, now exists, or may yet live on every inhabited world which has formed, now forms, or may yet form a part of the vast galaxy of your administrative domain. Your earth life in the likeness of mortal flesh shall not be so lived as to constitute an <em style=”color: #000000;”>example for the mortals of Urantia in the days of your earthly sojourn nor for any subsequent generation of human beings on Urantia or on any other world. Rather shall your life in the flesh on Urantia be the <em style=”color: #000000;”>inspiration for all lives upon all Nebadon worlds throughout all generations in the ages to come.
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This next reference makes me humble in my attitude about the Master.
(2090.4) 196:1.3 To “follow Jesus” means to personally share his religious faith and to enter into the spirit of the Master’s life of unselfish service for man. One of the most important things in human living is to find out what Jesus believed, to discover his ideals, and to strive for the achievement of his exalted life purpose. Of all human knowledge, that which is of greatest value is to know the religious life of Jesus and how he lived it.
Because we only get a circumscribed view of the Master’s life, I have conjectured that I will be completely instructed in all manner of understanding of how he achieved divinity attributes.
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When Michael became a Master Creator Son new potentials were actualized in our universe that illuminate a path to eternity through him.
As I interpret the meaning of the quote below, I have discerned that there is a refreshing of potentials and actuals as the maturity of the individual, and the maturity of the planet moves toward a mutual understanding of the brotherhood significance of both ascenders&descenders.
(1278.6) 117:1.2 In the persons of the Supreme Creators the Gods have descended from Paradise to the domains of time and space, there to create and to evolve creatures with Paradise-attainment capacity who can ascend thereto in quest of the Father. This universe procession of descending God-revealing Creators and ascending God-seeking creatures is revelatory of the Deity evolution of the Supreme, in whom both descenders and ascenders achieve mutuality of understanding, the discovery of eternal and universal brotherhood. The Supreme Being thus becomes the finite synthesis of the experience of the perfect-Creator cause and the perfecting-creature response.
And yet, not all worlds have the Spirit of Truth, do they?
(407.8) 37:2.8 One of the high duties of the Evening Stars is to accompany the Avonal bestowal Sons on their planetary missions, even as Gabriel accompanied Michael on his Urantia bestowal. The two attending superangels are the ranking personalities of such missions, serving as cocommanders of the archangels and all others assigned to these undertakings. It is the senior of these superangel commanders who, at the significant time and age, bids the Avonal bestowal Son, “Be about your brother’s business.”
Repletion is continually being superimposed upon completion.
(1280.5) 117:2.5… You mortals now living on Urantia who may aspire to Paradise attainment and finaliter status should understand that such a destiny is only realizable because you are in and of the Supreme, hence are participants in the cycle of the growth of the Supreme.
Two maybe three cents worth…
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…will TEACH and GUIDE us all the way to the Father’s spiritual presence…
I never thought about this until reading the assertion here: but does the Spirit of Truth abide us once we leave the Local Universe? Or are there other ministering spirits beyond these shores?
And I truly ask about the gift of Michael’s Spirit in the local universe as well – the spirit is released planet by planet and not universally or simultaneously, isn’t that correct?
If so, then the quote is either for Urantia or it means something other than or in addition to the Spirit of Truth….or both. So, the question still stands, in what ways is the Creator Son, the “way, truth, and life”?
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
I never thought about this until reading the assertion here: but does the Spirit of Truth abide us once we leave the Local Universe? Or are there other ministering spirits beyond these shores?
Yes, the Spirit of Truth goes with us outside of the local universe. As a revelation of the Supreme, he will continue to be with us even after the completion of this universe age. (117:5.9; 119:8.7)
And I truly ask about the gift of Michael’s Spirit in the local universe as well – the spirit is released planet by planet and not universally or simultaneously, isn’t that correct?
It’s my understanding that all of the planets in Nebadon who have had an Avonal bestowal mission now have the Spirit of Truth. Prior to Michael’s sovereignty these planets have a conjoint spirit of the Avonal and Creator Son. (20:6.8)
Hi Bradly, your question is most difficult when this is considered:
(1317.2) 119:7.6 Certain wise men of earth knew of Michael’s impending arrival. Through the contacts of one world with another, these wise men of spiritual insight learned of the forthcoming bestowal of Michael on Urantia. And the seraphim did, through the midway creatures, make announcement to a group of Chaldean priests whose leader was Ardnon. These men of God visited the newborn child in the manger. The only supernatural event associated with the birth of Jesus was this announcement to Ardnon and his associates by the seraphim of former attachment to Adam and Eve in the first garden.*
Now assuming that the universal bestowal of the Thought Adjusters was perhaps during and after Pentecost, my question would be . How wise is wise?
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And I truly ask about the gift of Michael’s Spirit in the local universe as well – the spirit is released planet by planet and not universally or simultaneously, isn’t that correct?
One of the considerations I have explored is what are we (ascending Mortals) will be required to learn during the training experience in Nebadon. Contending with the fact that Michael has chosen to recreate The Patterns of Havona in nebulous space, it would stand to reason that all intelligences in Nebadon are aligned with his high purposes and plans.
(388.9) 35:3.22 The highest course of training in universe administration is given by the Melchizedeks on their home world. This College of High Ethics is presided over by the original Father Melchizedek.
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(391.6) 35:7.3 The ascending pilgrims will be introduced to numerous new activities on these worlds of study and practical work. We are not forbidden to undertake the revelation of these new and undreamed-of pursuits, but we despair of being able to portray these undertakings to the material mind of mortal beings.
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(412.2) 37:6.2 This training of mind and education of spirit is carried on from the worlds of human origin up through the system mansion worlds and the other spheres of progress associated with Jerusem, on the seventy socializing realms attached to Edentia, and on the four hundred and ninety spheres of spirit progress encircling Salvington. On the universe headquarters itself are numerous Melchizedek schools, the colleges of the Universe Sons, the seraphic universities, and the schools of the Teacher Sons and the Union of Days. Every possible provision is made to qualify the various personalities of the universe for advancing service and improving function. The entire universe is one vast school.
WHAT ARE THEY FOCUSING ON?
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HAT ARE THEY FOCUSING ON?
Socialization of the personality.
56:10.14 Cosmic socialization constitutes the highest form of personality unification. Said Jesus: “He who would be greatest among you, let him become server of all.”
Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” I think there are several different aspects of “the way” to consider and discuss:
101:3.3 It is this same spirit personality, in primitive and embryonic form, the Adjuster possession of which survives the natural death in the flesh. This composite entity of spirit origin in association with human experience is enabled, by means of the living way provided by the divine Sons, to survive (in Adjuster custody) the dissolution of the material self of mind and matter when such a transient partnership of the material and the spiritual is divorced by the cessation of vital motion.
This quote seems to state that it is because of the “living way” established by Jesus that the Adjuster is able to retain spiritized factors of mind, memory, and personality as an eternal part of himself.
Dears seekers of Truth,
What a interesting pearl I found in the archives.
Almost 5 years ago !
That is what trigger hunger, curiosity and will when participants express their unique perception point of view. Drawing me out.
He asks us questions to draw us out, not to gain information. 161:2.7
Is anyone interested in discussing the meaning of this powerful quote? post #8225
For sure.
No man goes to the Father except through me. All who find the Father, first find me. If you know me, you know the way to the Father. 180:3.7
Adon and Fonta as theirs primitives siblings whom attained satisfaction of the appropriate conditions to be eligibles to received an Adjuster. Way before Spirit of Truth was poored on Urantia.
Mother Spirit:
In 101:3.1 UB mention “ethical conscience and moral consciousness” are essentials to “human progress and survival.”
Those prerequisites (talking about ethical conscience and moral consciousness) are allowed by the Holy Spirit (Local Universe Mother Spirit) wich foster her childrens of time and space years before reception of T/A. Human progress and survival belongs to T/A.
Spiritual reason, soul intelligence, is the endowment of the Holy Spirit, the Creative Spirit’s gift to man. 101:3.2
Thought Adjuster:
Faith-insight, or spiritual intuition, is the endowment of the cosmic mind in association with the Thought Adjuster.
God The Supeme:
Cosmic mind:
16:6.9 (192.5) These scientific, moral, and spiritual insights, these cosmic responses, are innate in the cosmic mind, which endows all will creatures.
The pouring of Spirit of Truth achieve the supremacy of creature. While prior of it Dieties involvement begin it. Making sense?
117:1.4 . God can work even as humanity in the incarnations of his Sons, who thereby achieve the supremacy of creature experience.
Hyphotetic question:
Did Adon and Fonta benefited survival ? Yes
Without Spirit of Truth (the living way)?
Apparently 101:3.3. … said “not without Him”.
Didn’t inquired but The Eternal Son must be involved !
André
Did Adon and Fonta benefited survival ? Yes Without Spirit of Truth (the living way)? Apparently 101:3.3. … said “not without Him”. Didn’t inquired but The Eternal Son must be involved !
Great questions André. As I understand it, Andon and Fonta had to wait for a dispensational resurrection at the time of the coming of the Planetary Prince before they could embark on “the living way”. Before their death they had Adjusters and the Holy Spirit to assist in evolving their souls thereby ensuring survival.
The Spirit of Truth is not necessary for survival, but “the living way” does require guidance from a divine Son, a son of the Eternal Son. After resurrection on the mansion worlds, Andon and Fonta had access to a divine Son’s guidance, Michael himself.
After Michael finished his seventh bestowal and established the “the new and living way,” mortals became able to pass directly to the mansion worlds, if they make it to the third psychic circle, instead of waiting for a dispensational or special resurrection. Moreover, they have also have the guidance of a divine Son during life in the flesh. They don’t have to wait until after death for that guidance.
7:7.4 The Father comes down to you as a personality only through the divine Sons of the Eternal Son. And you attain the Father by this same living way; you ascend to the Father by the guidance of this group of divine Sons. And this remains true notwithstanding that your very personality is a direct bestowal of the Universal Father.
52:5.4 The bestowal Son lives and dies for the spiritual uplift of the mortal races of a world. He establishes the “new and living way”; his life is an incarnation of Paradise truth in mortal flesh, that very truth — even the Spirit of Truth — in the knowledge of which men shall be free.
52:5.5 On Urantia the establishment of this “new and living way” was a matter of fact as well as of truth. The isolation of Urantia in the Lucifer rebellion had suspended the procedure whereby mortals can pass, upon death, directly to the shores of the mansion worlds. Before the days of Christ Michael on Urantia all souls slept on until the dispensational or special millennial resurrections. Even Moses was not permitted to go over to the other side until the occasion of a special resurrection, the fallen Planetary Prince, Caligastia, contesting such a deliverance. But ever since the day of Pentecost, Urantia mortals again may proceed directly to the morontia spheres.
How do you suppose that a person that does not have access to bible, Urantia book, Christianity in any form, benefit from the life and teachings of Jesus in a way that is consistent with the concept:
3.7 When Jesus heard Thomas, he answered: “Thomas, I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man goes to the Father except through me. All who find the Father, first find me. If you know me, you know the way to the Father.
Seems to me that finding Jesus and the Father does not imply exposure to text or religious dogmas.
Its a good question, Gene. Seemingly we all face this same challenge in different ways.
Attraction is a word that often comes to mind when thinking of your question. Jesus was spiritually attractive, so we should also attempt to attract people to his ways by meeting people just where they are in spiritual need. When we try to evangelize our religion we tend to drive people away.
Talking to people we could ask a few questions that may come to mind to ascertain if there is interest and proceed from there. Find out if there is any curiosity in a person. The answers to your question will come if we are sincere in relating to people and, as we have so often heard, seek the Father’s will, applying that to all relationships.
And also, we’ll get better as we pray and try our best for each opportunity.
Seems to me that finding Jesus and the Father does not imply exposure to text or religious dogmas.
You’re right. Jesus is living truth and God the Father is living Love. If a person embraces truth and love, then that person has seen the Father and the Son and are on “the way”. It has nothing at all to do with the Bible or Christianity.
Bonita wrote:
“You’re right. Jesus is living truth and God the Father is living Love.”
That’s quite a Team!
“If a person embraces truth and love, then that person has seen the Father and the Son and are on “the way”.”
Talk about “Good News“; and a revelation whose time has come 
Regarding how and why Michael serves, literally, as the truly living and loving Way from here to our Father’s house, I expect it must be a team effort. There must be some sequence of levels of consciousness made accessible by his Divine Minister that makes it possible for us baby persons to discover, recognize, interpret and choose; that makes possible our gentle emergence as “Choosers“… whose choices do not change, given a million or billion fresh moments in which freely to newly choose. See 118:1.2 ,
“A million or a billion moments makes no difference;” (118:1.2, 1295.2)
Combine our personal emergence with Michael’s personal presence, and the stage is set for His Father’s pre-personal fragments to be personalized by the human technique. Hence this paragraph is one of my favorites:
“And then, when such a universe has been so completely organized and so repletely manned, does the Creator Son enter into the Father’s proposal to create mortal man in their divine image.” (359.5, 32:2.8)
What might seem like a simple command — “Let us make mortal man” — runs absolutely deep!
See: (78.3, 6:5.7), (110.7, 10:3.1), (359.5, 32:2.8)
Regarding “what is love”…
Anyone who’s done a little biochemistry or physics knows that the entire material domain is powered by tiny things tickling each other with photons — the first of the 3 kinds of light discussed in section 6.8 of the Foreword, 6.8.
Likewise, once we discover that any and every truly personal interaction between persons is (literally) mediated by love, then “love” becomes the 4th and foremost of the four kinds of characteristic light that power the four phases of reality: material, mindal, spiritual, personal.
In other words, for me, love is the very “stuff” of the personality circuit, literally the currency of the economy of the personal domain.
Regarding the fact that no one goes to the Father (180:3.7) but via Michael, as a literalist I’ve always assumed this simply means that none of us launch from Nebadon until we are given that status ticket: “First-Stage Spirit” by our amazing foster father.
See: (39:1.11), (48:1.5), (48:3.8), (49:0.1).
Nigel
I can’t think of Michael as a foster father. He is our Creator Father-Son. If it weren’t for him, we wouldn’t even have a physical beginning at all. Another thing to consider about The Way is the fact that it is the road to Supremacy, which our Creator Father-Son has Mastered and now guides us on, well past Nebadon, in fact, all the way to eternal deity finality.
117.3.4 Your Creator Son can actually be such a living channel from humanity to divinity since he has personally experienced the fullness of the traversal of this universe path of progression, from the true humanity of Joshua ben Joseph, the Son of Man, to the Paradise divinity of Michael of Nebadon, the Son of the infinite God. Similarly can the Supreme Being function as the universe approach to the transcendence of finite limitations, for he is the actual embodiment and personal epitome of all creature evolution, progression, and spiritualization. Even the grand universe experiences of the descending personalities from Paradise are that part of his experience which is complemental to his summation of the ascending experiences of the pilgrims of time.
21:6.4 Just as the Deity of the Supreme is actualizing by virtue of experiential service, so are the Creator Sons achieving the personal realization of the Paradise-divinity potentials bound up in their unfathomable natures. When on Urantia, Christ Michael once said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life.” And we believe that in eternity the Michaels are literally destined to be “the way, the truth, and the life,” ever blazing the path for all universe personalities as it leads from supreme divinity through ultimate absonity to eternal deity finality.
117:5.9 While such spiritual influences as the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth are local universe ministrations, their guidance is not wholly confined to the geographic limitations of a given local creation. As the ascending mortal passes beyond the boundaries of his local universe of origin, he is not entirely deprived of the ministry of the Spirit of Truth which has so constantly taught and guided him through the philosophic mazes of the material and morontial worlds, in every crisis of ascension unfailingly directing the Paradise pilgrim, ever saying: “This is the way.” When you leave the domains of the local universe, through the ministry of the spirit of the emerging Supreme Being and through the provisions of superuniverse reflectivity, you will still be guided in your Paradise ascent by the comforting directive spirit of the Paradise bestowal Sons of God.
119.8.7 In passing through the experience of revealing the Seven Master Spirit wills of the Trinity, the Creator Son has passed through the experience of revealing the will of the Supreme. In functioning as a revelator of the will of Supremacy, Michael, together with all other Master Sons, has identified himself eternally with the Supreme. In this universe age he reveals the Supreme and participates in the actualization of the sovereignty of Supremacy. But in the next universe age we believe he will be collaborating with the SupremeBeing in the first experiential Trinity for and in the universes of outer space.
Bonita wrote:
“I can’t think of Michael as a foster father. He is our Creator Father-Son. If it weren’t for him, we wouldn’t even have a physical beginning at all.”
Hi Bonita — Agreed, thinking of Nebadon as an amazing nursery and school, everything about these facilities and opportunities we owe to Michael and his Divine minister! In every sense they make our existence and ascent possible. But in terms of personality, with regard to the real You, is not Michael’s Father the actual Father of your personality? From 15:0.1,
“AS FAR as the Universal Father is concerned — as a Father — the universes are virtually nonexistent; he deals with personalities; he is the Father of personalities.” (164.1, 15:0.1)
Given the absolute nature of our personality, and its Source and Center, even the entire master universe ascent is but a moment of opportunity; simply the creation of certain “finite and transcendental foundations“. From 106:7.8,
“At the inconceivably distant future eternity moment of the final completion of the entire master universe, no doubt we will all look back upon its entire history as only the beginning, simply the creation of certain finite and transcendental foundations for even greater and more enthralling metamorphoses in uncharted infinity. At such a future eternity moment the master universe will still seem youthful; indeed, it will be always young in the face of the limitless possibilities of never-ending eternity.” (1170.1, 106:7.8“)
Nigel
