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MELCHIZEDEK, NORDAN, AND THE KENITES

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BradlyParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 12:29 PM

ashuras wrote:

In Hebrews 7, Melchizedek is described as fatherless and motherless without a family tree, but why was his coming not prophesied if it was the great Michael himself? and why his second coming in the body of Jesus was prophesied and why was Jesus born from the body of Mary? why did he not come in the same way as Melchizedek?

Important questions! All answered in great detail in the UB. Michael and Machiventa Melchizedek are not the same beings. Much has occurred on our world that was never “prophesied” ashuras.

Hebrew (or Christian or any other) scripture is neither accurate or replete. Oral histories and history written by humans is hardly ever, or never, accurate or replete. History written by humans is very subjective and selective in its inclusions and exclusions and agenda. It is often unfactual propaganda in fact.

You may wish to study Papers 21 and 93.

Thanks for asking!!

https://urassoc.arko.nyc/the-urantia-book/part-1/paper-21/

https://urassoc.arko.nyc/the-urantia-book/part-3/paper-93/

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 2:46 PM
Melchizedek

Melchi or Melkhi which is MALAKH and mean Angel.

Zedek mean Righteousness

So Melchizedek mean -,, Angel of Righteousness?

Zadkiel (Hebrew: צִדְקִיאֵל Ṣīḏqīʾēl, ‘God is my Righteousness’), also known as Hasdiel,[a] is an archangel in Jewish and Christian angelology.

In Jewish mysticism and Christian Kabbalah, Zadkiel is associated with the classical planet Jupiter.[4] The angel’s position in the sephirot is fourth, which corresponds to Chesed “Kindness”.[5][6]
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 2:55 PM
I AM Zadkiel, Amethyst above me. And here at this altar this night, beloved, there does stand before you the beloved, the most revered Ascended Master Melchizedek, king of Salem and priest of the Most High God. <1> Will you not welcome him to your midst?

Blessed ones, I assure you that it is a most holy occasion that the one who did visit Abraham, [a past life of] your own beloved El Morya, has chosen to come and [has] received from the heart of Alpha and Omega that divine approbation and that consent. O beloved, in this hour prepare thyself for the divine anointing.

I come, beloved, that you might know and understand that the LORD God, the Almighty One of Israel, the Holy One of God, has therefore decreed, Thus far and no farther! The fiat of the LORD does go forth, and out of the mouth of God there does pour forth liquid sacred fire to swallow up even the flood that is cast after the Woman and her seed.

And therefore, beloved, there is in this night and in this hour a turning back and a turning around of Darkness as the infamy that has been plotted again and again for centuries against the Messengers of God, the holy prophets, the Christed ones and their disciples. So, beloved, [inasmuch] as this has been, the Lord God has declared, “Thus far and no farther!”

Blessed ones, it is by the very gravity itself: those who are at the lowest level now must receive back upon themselves by the inexorable law of karma that which they have sought to do and that means whereby they have sought to prevail against the Lightbearers, whether by murder, whether by deceit, whether by deception.

Come forth, O Christ! Come forth to descend into these temples!

Let there be the understanding that we anoint for the finishing of an age, for the conclusion, and for new beginnings. We anoint those who have prepared themselves and who have earnestly prayed at inner levels since it has been told to them that they might apply to become a part of this priesthood [of the Order of Melchizedek.
BradlyParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 4:09 PM
Okay….this just got real weird (er).

Too bad. Somebody is channeling something unreal and irrational now. Self delusion is so obvious when imposed upon others I think.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:05 PM
The Urantia Book (sometimes called The Urantia Papers or The Fifth Epochal Revelation) is a spiritual, philosophical, and religious book that originated in Chicago, Illinois, United States sometime between 1924 and 1955. The authorship remains a matter of debate. It has received various degrees of interest ranging from praise to criticism for its religious and science-related content, its unusual length, and the unusual names and origins of the authors named within the book.

What ??? ???? That’s sound Essenes Jews fairy tale
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:09 PM
A native of Indiana, Sadler moved to Michigan as a teenager to work at the Battle Creek Sanitarium. There he met the physician and health-food promoter John Harvey Kellogg, co-inventor of corn flakes breakfast cereal, who became his mentor. Sadler married Kellogg’s niece, Lena Celestia Kellogg, in 1897. He worked for several Christian organizations and attended medical school, graduating in 1906. Sadler practiced medicine in Chicago with his wife, who was also a physician. He joined several medical associations and taught at the McCormick Theological Seminary. Although he was a committed member of the Seventh-day Adventist Church for almost twenty years, he left the denomination after it disfellowshipped his wife’s uncle, John Harvey Kellogg, in 1907. Sadler and his wife became speakers on the Chautauqua adult education circuit in 1907, and he became a highly paid, popular orator. He eventually wrote over 40 books on a variety of medical and spiritual topics advocating a holistic approach to health. Sadler extolled the value of prayer and religion but was skeptical of mediums, assisting debunker Howard Thurston, and embraced the scientific consensus on evolution.

That’s sound Essenes -Freemasons work
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:26 PM

ashuras wrote:

In Hebrews 7, Melchizedek is described as fatherless and motherless without a family tree, but why was his coming not prophesied if it was the great Michael himself? and why his second coming in the body of Jesus was prophesied and why was Jesus born from the body of Mary? why did he not come in the same way as Melchizedek?

Why? I agree with Bradly:

Bradly wrote:

Hebrew (or Christian or any other) scripture is neither accurate or replete. Oral histories and history written by humans is hardly ever, or never, accurate or replete. History written by humans is very subjective and selective in its inclusions and exclusions and agenda. It is often unfactual propaganda in fact.

I think people err when they depend upon what an olden personage has predicted will happen or what will not happen in the future. Human history is strewn with the veribage of soothsayers.

87:5.14 [Part III]

It was not merely out of curiosity that the ancients sought to know the future; they wanted to dodge ill luck. Divination was simply an attempt to avoid trouble. During these times, dreams were regarded as prophetic, while everything out of the ordinary was considered an omen. And even today the civilized races are cursed with the belief in signs, tokens, and other superstitious remnants of the advancing ghost cult of old. Slow, very slow, is man to abandon those methods whereby he so gradually and painfully ascended the evolutionary scale of life.

“Religious persons must not regard every vivid psychologic presentiment and every intense emotional experience as a divine revelation or a spiritual communication.” 91:7.3

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Soothsaying is rampant these days and some people have cultish followers who hang on every word uttered. These people truly believe themselves and they must have an audience. Otherwise why do it?

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Again, we can read a bit of what the Hebrews did to their olden record:

122:4.4 [Part IV]

Most of the so-called Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament were made to apply to Jesus long after his life had been lived on earth. For centuries the Hebrew prophets had proclaimed the coming of a deliverer, and these promises had been construed by successive generations as referring to a new Jewish ruler who would sit upon the throne of David and, by the reputed miraculous methods of Moses, proceed to establish the Jews in Palestine as a powerful nation, free from all foreign domination. Again, many figurative passages found throughout the Hebrew scriptures were subsequently misapplied to the life mission of Jesus. Many Old Testament sayings were so distorted as to appear to fit some episode of the Master’s earth life. Jesus himself onetime publicly denied any connection with the royal house of David. Even the passage, “a maiden shall bear a son,” was made to read, “a virgin shall bear a son.” This was also true of the many genealogies of both Joseph and Mary which were constructed subsequent to Michael’s career on earth. Many of these lineages contain much of the Master’s ancestry, but on the whole they are not genuine and may not be depended upon as factual. The early followers of Jesus all too often succumbed to the temptation to make all the olden prophetic utterances appear to find fulfillment in the life of their Lord and Master.
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:35 PM
I think The Urantia Book is too new. It doesn’t have the burnish of an olden record. And partly for that reason it does not appeal to many people nowadays.
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:42 PM
Melchizedek no father no mother

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ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:42 PM
Sect of Cannan which was KAINAIN

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ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:44 PM
Jews completely hide Kainain genealogy in fact was cursed. That’s the reason why KENITES and Melchizedek don’t any .
BradlyParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:58 PM
1. ashuras wrote:
The Urantia Book (sometimes called The Urantia Papers or The Fifth Epochal Revelation) is a spiritual, philosophical, and religious book that originated in Chicago, Illinois, United States sometime between 1924 and 1955. The authorship remains a matter of debate. It has received various degrees of interest ranging from praise to criticism for its religious and science-related content, its unusual length, and the unusual names and origins of the authors named within the book. What ??? ???? That’s sound Essenes Jews fairy tale
Bradly here: Regardless of one’s opinions about the Urantia Papers, nonetheless it is the text we share here in study together.

So…if you are not here to discover, share, and study the Papers, then I am done here….

And I will leave you to your personal agenda ashuras…

…best wishes.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 5:58 PM

ashuras wrote:

Jews completely hide Kainain genealogy in fact was cursed. That’s the reason why KENITES and Melchizedek don’t any .

Isn’t cursing people and/or calling people cursed a way of controlling people? It is also a way of making one group of people fear another group of people.
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 6:13 PM
For example:

86:2.6 [Part III]

The savage looked upon all nature as alive, as possessed by something. Civilized man still kicks and curses those inanimate objects which get in his way and bump him. Primitive man never regarded anything as accidental; always was everything intentional. To primitive man the domain of fate, the function of luck, the spirit world, was just as unorganized and haphazard as was primitive society. Luck was looked upon as the whimsical and temperamental reaction of the spirit world; later on, as the humor of the gods.

Also:

87:6.13 [Part III]

But man did not stop with ghost coercion; through religious ritual and other practices he was soon attempting to compel spirit action. Exorcism was the employment of one spirit to control or banish another, and these tactics were also utilized for frightening ghosts and spirits. The dual-spiritism concept of good and bad forces offered man ample opportunity to attempt to pit one agency against another, for, if a powerful man could vanquish a weaker one, then certainly a strong spirit could dominate an inferior ghost. Primitive cursing was a coercive practice designed to overawe minor spirits. Later this custom expanded into the pronouncing of curses upon enemies.

And:

96:7.6 [Part III]

In Palestine the wisdom and all-pervasiveness of God was often grasped but seldom his love and mercy. The Yahweh of these times “sends evil spirits to dominate the souls of his enemies”; he prospers his own and obedient children, while he curses and visits dire judgments upon all others. “He disappoints the devices of the crafty; he takes the wise in their own deceit.”
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 6:35 PM
Regarding Yahweh of those olden records:

74:8.10 [Part III]

Jewish tradition became crystallized about Moses, and because he endeavored to trace the lineage of Abraham back to Adam, the Jews assumed that Adam was the first of all mankind. Yahweh was the creator, and since Adam was supposed to be the first man, he must have made the world just prior to making Adam. And then the tradition of Adam’s six days got woven into the story, with the result that almost a thousand years after Moses’ sojourn on earth the tradition of creation in six days was written out and subsequently credited to him.

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94:11.12 [Part III]

While this idea of Absolute Deity never found great popular favor with the peoples of Asia, it did enable the intellectuals of these lands to unify their philosophy and to harmonize their cosmology. The concept of the Buddha Absolute is at times quasi-personal, at times wholly impersonal — even an infinite creative force. Such concepts, though helpful to philosophy, are not vital to religious development. Even an anthropomorphic Yahweh is of greater religious value than an infinitely remote Absolute of Buddhism or Brahmanism.

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95:7.2 [Part III]

Not even in China or Rome did the Melchizedek teachings fail more completely than in this desert region so very near Salem itself. Long after the majority of the peoples of the Orient and Occident had become respectively Buddhist and Christian, the desert of Arabia continued as it had for thousands of years. Each tribe worshiped its olden fetish, and many individual families had their own household gods. Long the struggle continued between Babylonian Ishtar, Hebrew Yahweh, Iranian Ahura, and Christian Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. Never was one concept able fully to displace the others.

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95:7.5 [Part III]

There was only one factor of a tribal, racial, or national nature about the primitive and unorganized beliefs of the desert, and that was the peculiar and general respect which almost all Arabian tribes were willing to pay to a certain black stone fetish in a certain temple at Mecca. This point of common contact and reverence subsequently led to the establishment of the Islamic religion. What Yahweh, the volcano spirit, was to the Jewish Semites, the Kaaba stone became to their Arabic cousins.

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96:1.11 [Part III]

Up to about 2000 B.C., Mount Sinai was intermittently active as a volcano, occasional eruptions occurring as late as the time of the sojourn of the Israelites in this region. The fire and smoke, together with the thunderous detonations associated with the eruptions of this volcanic mountain, all impressed and awed the Bedouins of the surrounding regions and caused them greatly to fear Yahweh. This spirit of Mount Horeb later became the god of the Hebrew Semites, and they eventually believed him to be supreme over all other gods.

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96:1.12 [Part III]

The Canaanites had long revered Yahweh, and although many of the Kenites believed more or less in El Elyon, the supergod of the Salem religion, a majority of the Canaanites held loosely to the worship of the old tribal deities. They were hardly willing to abandon their national deities in favor of an international, not to say an interplanetary, God. They were not universal-deity minded, and therefore these tribes continued to worship their tribal deities, including Yahweh and the silver and golden calves which symbolized the Bedouin herders’ concept of the spirit of the Sinai volcano.
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 8:03 PM
I think fear and anxiety loomed large in the minds of olden peoples. Life was not easy. They wrote their olden records, but not without fearful restraints, as portrayed here:

92:2.3 [Part III]

When modern man wonders at the presentation of so much in the scriptures of different religions that may be regarded as obscene, he should pause to consider that passing generations have feared to eliminate what their ancestors deemed to be holy and sacred. A great deal that one generation might look upon as obscene, preceding generations have considered a part of their accepted mores, even as approved religious rituals. A considerable amount of religious controversy has been occasioned by the never-ending attempts to reconcile olden but reprehensible practices with newly advanced reason, to find plausible theories in justification of creedal perpetuation of ancient and outworn customs.
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 8:46 PM
Vulcan (Latin: Vulcanus, in archaically retained spelling also Volcanus, both pronounced [wʊɫˈkaːnʊs]) is the god of fire[4] including the fire of volcanoes, deserts, metalworking and the forge in Sabine[5] and ancient Roman religion and myth. He is often depicted with a blacksmith’s hammer.[6] The Vulcanalia was the annual festival held August 23 in his honor. His Greek counterpart is Hephaestus, the god of fire and smithery. In Etruscan religion, he is identified with Sethians.

Vulcan god or god Fire was Agni or Varuna or Moloch . Nothing to do with Yahweh.

The Vulcan god was certainly not a god of Cannanites. It’s been introduced by SETHITES KENITES to CANNAN.

Now it’s very clear to me where come from Urantia book, and the purpose.

KAINAIN ancestors of SETHITES he really was cursed for what he done ,for that sin. The curse follows his offspring.

the offense of the Amorite is not yet over. Rulers of Amorites were Semitic Sethians.

The Jews were fully aware of the curse of KAINAIN and his descendants. they erased his family tree and he was also a great heathen. And how would they explain that the religion of El Eloyin and the Religion of Satan arose from the same race?
BradlyParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 9:25 PM
Hooey!

Religion of Satan??

Holy Moly…

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
MaraParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 10:00 PM

ashuras wrote:

. . .is the god of fire[4] including the fire of volcanoes. . . .

See this note on fire worship.

69:6.6 [Part III]

The early myths about how fire came down from the gods grew out of the observations of fire caused by lightning. These ideas of supernatural origin led directly to fire worship, and fire worship led to the custom of “passing through fire,” a practice carried on up to the times of Moses. And there still persists the idea of passing through fire after death. The fire myth was a great bond in early times and still persists in the symbolism of the Parsees.

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88:1.2 [Part III]

The first fetishes were peculiarly marked pebbles, and “sacred stones” have ever since been sought by man; a string of beads was once a collection of sacred stones, a battery of charms. Many tribes had fetish stones, but few have survived as have the Kaaba and the Stone of Scone. Fire and water were also among the early fetishes, and fire worship, together with belief in holy water, still survives.

People back then didn’t know what a volcano was or an earthquake.

96:1.11 [Part III]

Up to about 2000 B.C., Mount Sinai was intermittently active as a volcano, occasional eruptions occurring as late as the time of the sojourn of the Israelites in this region. The fire and smoke, together with the thunderous detonations associated with the eruptions of this volcanic mountain, all impressed and awed the Bedouins of the surrounding regions and caused them greatly to fear Yahweh. This spirit of Mount Horeb later became the god of the Hebrew Semites, and they eventually believed him to be supreme over all other gods.

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96:4.5 [Part III]

It does not appear that Moses would ever have succeeded in the establishment of his somewhat advanced ceremonial worship and in keeping his followers intact for a quarter of a century had it not been for the violent eruption of Horeb during the third week of their worshipful sojourn at its base. “The mountain of Yahweh was consumed in fire, and the smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.” In view of this cataclysm it is not surprising that Moses could impress upon his brethren the teaching that their God was “mighty, terrible, a devouring fire, fearful, and all-powerful.”

Moses did his best. He was a great organizer.

96:5.5 [Part III]

But it was truly pitiful to watch this great mind of Moses trying to adapt his sublime concept of El Elyon, the Most High, to the comprehension of the ignorant and illiterate Hebrews. To his assembled leaders he thundered, “The Lord your God is one God; there is none beside him”; while to the mixed multitude he declared, “Who is like your God among all the gods?” Moses made a brave and partly successful stand against fetishes and idolatry, declaring, “You saw no similitude on the day that your God spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire.” He also forbade the making of images of any sort.
ashurasParticipant
Jul 9, 2023, 10:20 PM
Do you know what I’m talking about at all?

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MELCHIZEDEK, NORDAN, AND THE KENITES

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