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To appreciate destiny, origin matters

54 posts · 3 participants · started Aug 5, 2015, 5:59 AM

  1. Sabinatu wrote:  …employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.
    Thanks for turning our attention to this Sab. It’s clear from that statement that once free-will-choice capable mortals arrive on the scene the ball is in our court. Mankind becomes master of its own destiny. Within very closely constrained limits of course……..can’t do the non-doable even if attempted. Just like Christianity made a whole lot of mistakes……..however, it did act.
    That’s what humans do……..they act………..make mistakes………….learn from experience………….evolve.
    Such is life in a finite realm with a defined beginning and ……………where eternal endings are only potential…………..only made actual………by choice.
    The finite level is where animal-origin mortals with personality endowment, begin. The Deity function on the finite level is:
    1. personal
    2. prepersonal
    3. superpersonal
    The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings — they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.  [Foreword 0:1.11, page 2:11]
  2. Sabinatu wrote: employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution.
    Thanks for turning our attention to this Sab. It’s clear from that statement that once free will choice capable mortals arrive on the scene the ball is in our court. Mankind becomes master of its own destiny.
    OMG, how do you get that “mankind” is master of its own destiny?
    I trotted out that quote from TUB to PROVE that even highly qualified Life Carriers DO NOT deviate from EVOLUTION – God’s Plan and Will!
    If Life Carriers do not mechanically intervene or arbitrarily manipulate, what makes you think YOU or any other human is ALLOWED to monkey with our “destiny” in that way??!!
    And there have been 4 epochal revelations helping mankind’s destiny since Caligastia with his fetish for mechanically intervening and arbitrarily manipulating EVOLUTION got started.
    We are definitely NOT on our own.  We have a CHOICE who we reproduce with, that’s about it.  And it is OBVIOUS that that isn’t going well at all! As a male friend quipped, we need the opposite of Viagra…
  3. Sabinatu wrote:  how do you get that “mankind” is master of its own destiny?
    By choice………..personal choice.
    Spirit leads never drives.
  4. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty six, leaving 8 to check out…
    Here’s No. 8 as “Adam and Eve Learn About the Planet.”

    The sixth day was devoted to an inspection of the numerous types of men and animals. Along the walls eastward in Eden, Adam and Eve were escorted all day, viewing the animal life of the planet and arriving at a better understanding as to what must be done to bring order out of the confusion of a world inhabited by such a variety of living creatures. [Paper74:3.7, page 831:4]

    Before Adam and Eve came to Urantia they had for more than fifteen thousand years been directors of the division of experimental energy as applied to the modification of living forms.

    It greatly surprised those who accompanied Adam on this trip to observe how fully he understood the nature and function of the thousands upon thousands of animals shown him. The instant he glanced at an animal, he would indicate its nature and behavior. Adam could give names descriptive of the origin, nature, and function of all material creatures on sight. Those who conducted him on this tour of inspection did not know that the world’s new ruler was one of the most expert anatomists of all Satania; and Eve was equally proficient. Adam amazed his associates by describing hosts of living things too small to be seen by human eyes. [Paper 74:3.8, page 831:5]

    When the sixth day of their sojourn on earth was over, Adam and Eve rested for the first time in their new home in “the east of Eden.” The first six days of the Urantia adventure had been very busy, and they looked forward with great pleasure to an entire day of freedom from all activities.  [Paper 74:3.9, page 831:6]

  5. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty seven, leaving 7 to check out…
    Here’s No. 7 which deals with the “Adjutants of Worship and Wisdom” which, when they first functioned in the mind of animal-origin mortals—parents of mankind—Andon and Fonta, forever differentiated humans from animals and qualified Urantia an inhabited world of will creatures with the capacity to know God. The first manifestation of worshipfulness was directed upon objects of nature.

    Nature worship may seem to have arisen naturally and spontaneously in the minds of primitive men and women, and so it did; but there was operating all this time in these same primitive minds the sixth adjutant spirit, which had been bestowed upon these peoples as a directing influence of this phase of human evolution. And this spirit was constantly stimulating the worship urge of the human species, no matter how primitive its first manifestations might be. The spirit of worship gave definite origin to the human impulse to worship, notwithstanding that animal fear motivated the expression of worshipfulness, and that its early practice became centered upon objects of nature. [Paper 85:7.1, page  948:6]

    Humans require feeling to establish meaning. Even now we tend to follow “feelings” about things rather than what we “think” about them.

    You must remember that feeling, not thinking, was the guiding and controlling influence in all evolutionary development. To the primitive mind there is little difference between fearing, shunning, honoring, and worshiping. [Paper 85:7.2, page  948:7]

    The is good reason for Worship and Wisdom to be so aligned, it introduces the reflective powers of the mind to bring a sense of balance to the motivational urge to worship. It allows us to go beyond the inspirational manifestation of beauty and integrated patterns of nature to the phenomenon of life itself and contemplate, how it is that persons have within themselves, the capacity to relate, the part to the whole? This is “origin” of real religion.

    When the worship urge is admonished and directed by wisdom — meditative and experiential thinking — it then begins to develop into the phenomenon of real religion. When the seventh adjutant spirit, the spirit of wisdom, achieves effective ministration, then in worship man begins to turn away from nature and natural objects to the God of nature and to the eternal Creator of all things natural. [Paper 85:7.3, page  948:8]

  6. Origin. Purpose. Destiny

    I guess I should have specified which “origin” I am intrigued with  :-)

    Origin of Time and Space

    Origin of Thought Adjusters

    Even the consideration of the Origin of a First Source and Center that has no Origin

    Never occurred to me that “animal origin” was where we’d be roaming around – proof once again that intellectual “unity” is not where the FER is going to take us during the “fruit seed” stage…

    http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-107-origin-and-nature-thought-adjusters?term=origin%7Cspace%7Ctime#search-jump-result-0

    Nice to know that even Thought Adjusters need to take a break:

    107:2.5 (1178.6) 4. Vanished Adjusters. Here occurs a break in our efforts to follow the careers of the Mystery Monitors. There is a fourth stage of service about which we are not sure. The Melchizedeks teach that the fourth-stage Adjusters are on detached assignments, roaming the universe of universes. The Solitary Messengers are inclined to believe that they are at one with the First Source and Center, enjoying a period of refreshing association with the Father himself. And it is entirely possible that an Adjuster could be roaming the master universe simultaneously with being at one with the omnipresent Father.

     

  7. Sabinatu wrote:  “origin” I am intrigued with :-)
    1. Origin of Time and Space
    2. Origin of Thought Adjusters
    3. Even the consideration of the Origin of a First Source and Center that has no Origin

    Great, go right ahead and add some content on these then.

  8. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty eight, leaving 6 to check out…
    here’s No. 6 which looks at the seemingly innocuous subject of “Totemism,” however, if we look a little deeper you will find it very pertinent to today’s social challenges.

    Totemism is a combination of social and religious observances. Originally it was thought that respect for the totem animal of supposed biologic origin insured the food supply. Totems were at one and the same time symbols of the group and their god. Such a god was the clan personified. Totemism was one phase of the attempted socialization of otherwise personal religion. The totem eventually evolved into the flag, or national symbol, of the various modern peoples. [Paper 88:3.2, page 970.3]

    In today’s sports obsessed society we see totems everywhere as our favourite team has emblazoned the appropriate icon, wolf, tiger, lion, bear, etc.

    A fetish bag, a medicine bag, was a pouch containing a reputable assortment of ghost-impregnated articles, and the medicine man of old never allowed his bag, the symbol of his power, to touch the ground. Civilized peoples in the twentieth century see to it that their flags, emblems of national consciousness, likewise never touch the ground. [Paper 88:3.3, page 970.4]

    Modern totems are revered because of the idea society has placed upon them.

    The insignia of priestly and kingly office were eventually regarded as fetishes, and the fetish of the state supreme has passed through many stages of development, from clans to tribes, from suzerainty to sovereignty, from totems to flags. Fetish kings have ruled by “divine right,” and many other forms of government have obtained. Men have also made a fetish of democracy, the exaltation and adoration of the common man’s ideas when collectively called “public opinion.” One man’s opinion, when taken by itself, is not regarded as worth much, but when many men are collectively functioning as a democracy, this same mediocre judgment is held to be the arbiter of justice and the standard of righteousness. [Paper 88:3.4, page 970:5]

    In another part of The Urantia Book slavery to “public opinion” is mentioned as one of the dangers of democracy.

    Democracy, while an ideal, is a product of civilization, not of evolution. Go slowly! select carefully! for the dangers of democracy are:

    1. Glorification of mediocrity.

    2. Choice of base and ignorant rulers.

    3. Failure to recognize the basic facts of social evolution.

    4. Danger of universal suffrage in the hands of uneducated and indolent majorities.

    5. Slavery to public opinion; the majority is not always right. [Paper 71:2.1–6, page 801:13–18]

    Public opinion delays social progress, education of public opinion is the only safe means by which to ensure steady progress. To be of state value It must be nonviolent in expression.

    Public opinion, common opinion, has always delayed society; nevertheless, it is valuable, for, while retarding social evolution, it does preserve civilization. Education of public opinion is the only safe and true method of accelerating civilization; force is only a temporary expedient, and cultural growth will increasingly accelerate as bullets give way to ballots. Public opinion, the mores, is the basic and elemental energy in social evolution and state development, but to be of state value it must be nonviolent in expression. [Paper 71:2.7, page 802:1]

    There are still too many states that employ force as a means of maintaining control, cultural growth will increasingly accelerate as bullets give way to ballots. Evolution of the democratic principle provides a means of comparative and advancing practical adjustment to the impulse for social improvement.

    The measure of the advance of society is directly determined by the degree to which public opinion can control personal behavior and state regulation through nonviolent expression. The really civilized government had arrived when public opinion was clothed with the powers of personal franchise. Popular elections may not always decide things rightly, but they represent the right way even to do a wrong thing. Evolution does not at once produce superlative perfection but rather comparative and advancing practical adjustment. [Paper 71:2.8, page 802:2]

    Here we come to a mighty challenge of our times where today the nations of the world are directed by men who have a superabundance of ideas, but they are poverty-stricken in ideals. Originality of meaningful thought is in short supply.

    Ideas may take origin in the stimuli of the outer world, but ideals are born only in the creative realms of the inner world. Today the nations of the world are directed by men who have a superabundance of ideas, but they are poverty-stricken in ideals. That is the explanation of poverty, divorce, war, and racial hatreds. [Paper 111:4.10, page 1220:9]

    When creativity is turned to destructivity we find ourselves face-to-face with the devastation of evil and sin—oppression, war, destruction.

    This is the problem: If freewill man is endowed with the powers of creativity in the inner man, then must we recognize that freewill creativity embraces the potential of freewill destructivity. And when creativity is turned to destructivity, you are face to face with the devastation of evil and sin — oppression, war, and destruction. Evil is a partiality of creativity which tends toward disintegration and eventual destruction. All conflict is evil in that it inhibits the creative function of the inner life — it is a species of civil war in the personality. [Paper 111:4.11, page 1220:10]

    Inhibition of the creative function of the inner life is a species of civil war in the personality and when such persons make a fetish of democracy they are in effect slaves to public opinion.

  9. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty nine, leaving 5 to check out…
    Here’s No. 5 which talks of “God in Man.”

    It is indeed a marvel of divine condescension for the exalted and perfect Adjusters to offer themselves for actual existence in the minds of material creatures, such as the mortals of Urantia, really to consummate a probationary union with the animal-origin beings of earth. [Paper 108:6.1, page 1192:6]

    The Though Adjuster—God in man—now has unfettered access to indwell the minds of all normal animal-origin mortals alive today. For over 2020 years have Adjusters flocked here to share our every living day with us. In our imperfection and erroneous thinking the Father makes the closest possible approach to sin and evil, for it is literally true that the Adjuster must coexist in the mortal mind even in the very midst of human unrighteousness.

    No matter what the previous status of the inhabitants of a world, subsequent to the bestowal of a divine Son and after the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth upon all humans, the Adjusters flock to such a world to indwell the minds of all normal will creatures. Following the completion of the mission of a Paradise bestowal Son, these Monitors truly become the “kingdom of heaven within you.” Through the bestowal of the divine gifts the Father makes the closest possible approach to sin and evil, for it is literally true that the Adjuster must coexist in the mortal mind even in the very midst of human unrighteousness. The indwelling Adjusters are particularly tormented by those thoughts which are purely sordid and selfish; they are distressed by irreverence for that which is beautiful and divine, and they are virtually thwarted in their work by many of man’s foolish animal fears and childish anxieties.  [Paper108:6.2, page 1193:1]

  10. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at thirty, leaving 4 to check out…
    Here’s No. 4 which addresses the subject of “Adjusters and Human Personality.”
    Intelligent intercommunication between human beings is greatly helped by the indwelling Adjusters. Adjusters augment the capacity to share ideas an ideals with each other.

    The higher forms of intelligent intercommunication between human beings are greatly helped by the indwelling Adjusters. Animals do have fellow feelings, but they do not communicate concepts to each other; they can express emotions but not ideas and ideals. Neither do men of animal origin experience a high type of intellectual intercourse or spiritual communion with their fellows until the Thought Adjusters have been bestowed, albeit, when such evolutionary creatures develop speech, they are on the highroad to receiving Adjusters. [Paper 109:4.1, page 1198:4]

    Adjusters, hailing from the source of personality have the ability to inculcate personality with depth of meaning an augmented qualitative manifestation.

    Animals do, in a crude way, communicate with each other, but there is little or no personality in such primitive contact. Adjusters are not personality; they are prepersonal beings. But they do hail from the source of personality, and their presence does augment the qualitative manifestations of human personality; especially is this true if the Adjuster has had previous experience. [Paper 109:4.2, page 1198:5]

    Great intellectual and spiritual leaders of ages past have been so influential chiefly because of the superiority and previous experience of their indwelling Adjusters. So too will the leaders of tomorrow become known as they give voice to the leading of the superior Adjuster that indwells each of them.

    The type of Adjuster has much to do with the potential for expression of the human personality. On down through the ages, many of the great intellectual and spiritual leaders of Urantia have exerted their influence chiefly because of the superiority and previous experience of their indwelling Adjusters. [Paper109:4.3, page 1198:6]

    The Thought adjusters work in perfect harmony with the Seraphic Planetary Government and all spiritual resources available to planetary administration. They are a real potential of advancing civilization. If they were not here, the world would revert to a primitive state.

    The indwelling Adjusters have in no small measure co-operated with other spiritual influences in transforming and humanizing the descendants of the primitive men of olden ages. If the Adjusters indwelling the minds of the inhabitants of Urantia were to be withdrawn, the world would slowly return to many of the scenes and practices of the men of primitive times; the divine Monitors are one of the real potentials of advancing civilization. [Paper 109:4.4, page 1198:7]

  11. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at thirty one, leaving 3 to check out…
    Here’s No. 3 which is sourced from the section on “Adjuster Fusion.”
    Finaliters are destined for service in the universes of the fist outer space level because their natures are the cosmic consequence of the blending of creature and Creator.

    We believe that the mortals of Adjuster fusion, together with their finaliter associates, are destined to function in some manner in the administration of the universes of the first outer space level. We have not the slightest doubt that in due time these enormous galaxies will become inhabited universes. And we are equally convinced that among the administrators thereof will be found the Paradise finaliters whose natures are the cosmic consequence of the blending of creature and Creator.[Paper112:7.17, page 1239:6]

    What a gigantic adventure is on offer to we animal-origin mortals only with our ever-loving Though Adjuster is any of us, capable of completing the homeward journey to Paradise to meet the Father face-to-face. Combination of highest with the lowest.

    What an adventure! What a romance! A gigantic creation to be administered by the children of the Supreme, these personalized and humanized Adjusters, these Adjusterized and eternalized mortals, these mysterious combinations and eternal associations of the highest known manifestation of the essence of the First Source and Center and the lowest form of intelligent life capable of comprehending and attaining the Universal Father. We conceive that such amalgamated beings, such partnerships of Creator and creature, will become superb rulers, matchless administrators, and understanding and sympathetic directors of any and all forms of intelligent life which may come into existence throughout these future universes of the first outer space level. [Paper112:7.18, page 1239:7]

    It’s true, we are of finite animal-origin, yet our heritage is as sons of God and our destiny is to join him in eternity.

    True it is, you mortals are of earthly, animal origin; your frame is indeed dust. But if you actually will, if you really desire, surely the heritage of the ages is yours, and you shall someday serve throughout the universes in your true characters — children of the Supreme God of experience and divine sons of the Paradise Father of all personalities. [Paper112:7.19, page 1240:1]

    [Presented by a Solitary Messenger of Orvonton.] [Paper112:7.20, page 1240:2]

  12. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at thirty two, leaving 2 to check out…
    Here’s No. 2 which comes from The Life and Teachings of Jesus, “The Sojourn in Cyprus—Discourse on the Mind.”

    The last week of their sojourn in the mountains Jesus and Ganid had a long talk on the functions of the human mind. After several hours of discussion the lad asked this question: “But, Teacher, what do you mean when you say that man experiences a higher form of self-consciousness than do the higher animals?” And as restated in modern phraseology, Jesus answered:  [Paper133:7.5, page 1479:5]

    Self-consciousness is a reality. When any animal becomes self-conscious, it becomes a primitive man.

    “My son, I have already told you much about the mind of man and the divine spirit that lives therein, but now let me emphasize that self-consciousness is a reality. When any animal becomes self-conscious, it becomes a primitive man. Such an attainment results from a co-ordination of function between impersonal energy and spirit-conceiving mind, and it is this phenomenon which warrants the bestowal of an absolute focal point for the human personality, the spirit of the Father in heaven.” [Paper 133:7.6, page 1479:6]

    Here is an insight into the substance of ideas—they are senations plus reflective interpretations of personal life. Unity of selfhood is derived from the indwelling presence of the Thought Adjuster which spiritually activates such a self-conscious “animal-origin” mind.

    “Ideas are not simply a record of sensations; ideas are sensations plus the reflective interpretations of the personal self; and the self is more than the sum of one’s sensations. There begins to be something of an approach to unity in an evolving selfhood, and that unity is derived from the indwelling presence of a part of absolute unity which spiritually activates such a self-conscious animal-origin mind.”  [Paper 133:7.7, page 1479:7]

    Humans possess a time self-consciousness, animals possess psychological co-ordination of of associated sensation-recognition and memory thereof. It is self-conscious existence, associated with the reality of his subsequent spiritual experience, constitutes man a potential son of the universe.

    “No mere animal could possess a time self-consciousness. Animals possess a physiological co-ordination of associated sensation-recognition and memory thereof, but none experience a meaningful recognition of sensation or exhibit a purposeful association of these combined physical experiences such as is manifested in the conclusions of intelligent and reflective human interpretations. And this fact of self-conscious existence, associated with the reality of his subsequent spiritual experience, constitutes man a potential son of the universe and foreshadows his eventual attainment of the Supreme Unity of the universe.” [Paper 133:7.8, page 1479:8]

  13. Vern wrote:  …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at thirty three, leaving 1 to check out…
    Here’s No. 1 which comes from “Jesus’ Teaching at Tyre” the lilies, look how they grow.

    On this Wednesday afternoon, in the course of his address, Jesus first told his followers the story of the white lily which rears its pure and snowy head high into the sunshine while its roots are grounded in the slime and muck of the darkened soil beneath. “Likewise,” said he, “mortal man, while he has his roots of origin and being in the animal soil of human nature, can by faith raise his spiritual nature up into the sunlight of heavenly truth and actually bear the noble fruits of the spirit.” [Paper 156:5.1, page 1737:5]

    Jesus teaches us to ensure that the intellectual and moral foundations of character are such as will adequately support the superstructure of the enlarging and ennobling spiritual nature. The soil of the evolving soul—human and material—the destiny—combined creature of mind and spirit—spiritual and divine.

    It was during this same sermon that Jesus made use of his first and only parable having to do with his own trade — carpentry. In the course of his admonition to “Build well the foundations for the growth of a noble character of spiritual endowments,” he said: “In order to yield the fruits of the spirit, you must be born of the spirit. You must be taught by the spirit and be led by the spirit if you would live the spirit-filled life among your fellows. But do not make the mistake of the foolish carpenter who wastes valuable time squaring, measuring, and smoothing his worm-eaten and inwardly rotting timber and then, when he has thus bestowed all of his labor upon the unsound beam, must reject it as unfit to enter into the foundations of the building which he would construct to withstand the assaults of time and storm. Let every man make sure that the intellectual and moral foundations of character are such as will adequately support the superstructure of the enlarging and ennobling spiritual nature, which is thus to transform the mortal mind and then, in association with that re-created mind, is to achieve the evolvement of the soul of immortal destiny. Your spirit nature — the jointly created soul — is a living growth, but the mind and morals of the individual are the soil from which these higher manifestations of human development and divine destiny must spring. The soil of the evolving soul is human and material, but the destiny of this combined creature of mind and spirit is spiritual and divine.”  [Paper 156:5.2, page 1738:1]

  14. We’ve now covered the instances of “animal” “origin” and I though it a good way to round off by a quick overview of the whole ascension journey right from the “initial life” here on Urantia to Havona—Paradise.

    On Urantia you pass through a short and intense test during your initial life of material existence. On the mansion worlds and up through your system, constellation, and local universe, you traverse the morontia phases of ascension. On the training worlds of the superuniverse you pass through the true spirit stages of progression and are prepared for eventual transit to Havona. On the seven circuits of Havona your attainment is intellectual, spiritual, and experiential. And there is a definite task to be achieved on each of the worlds of each of these circuits. [Paper 14:5.1, page 158:4]

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