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To appreciate destiny, origin matters

54 posts · 3 participants · started Aug 5, 2015, 5:59 AM

SabinatuBlocked
Aug 12, 2015, 12:51 AM
…But how unkind knowingly to defile or otherwise deliberately to pollute the physical body, which must serve as the earthly tabernacle of this marvelous gift from God. All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul. ^[Paper ^{110:1.5, page 1204:3]}

I do not believe that the INDIVIDUAL has enough power of “choice” left to matter, do you?

This parade of “non-choices” is never ending:

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/2015/08/11/toxic-mines-taint-wests-waterways/31489965/
AnonymousInactive
Aug 12, 2015, 3:01 AM

Vern wrote:

It is most important to keep the animal-origin tabernacle in good working order to allow the indwelling Thought Adjuster maximum expression in the mind without distortion of clear thinking as the result of ingested pollutants. Then there are the mental poisons of which Jesus spoke, which interfere with soul growth.

…But how unkind knowingly to defile or otherwise deliberately to pollute the physical body, which must serve as the earthly tabernacle of this marvelous gift from God. All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul. [Paper 110:1.5, page 1204:3]

I can understand the narration above where “mental poisons” is used, however, if one would consider that the “physical poisons” would also reference things like alcohol, such as wine, drugs, etc., where Jesus did imbibe in a drink or two, in his time, however it is not really indicated if he ever got drunk, although He was accused of being a drunkard but, there is a reference from the last supper, where He did indicate that He would not again partake in drink (wine), until He was once again together with the disciples, where shortly thereafter He went to the cross. This might indicate that He did enjoy a cup or two of wine, which would make the statement above, where it used “physical poisons” which might, or should have been referenced with the words “in moderation”, and then there are those “physical poisons” which many must take in order to overcome death or illness just to survive from day to day. So, one might indicate that the aforementioned UB quote might be a little harsh, and would require a little more definition. Therefore, what was the real purpose that this narration was written for, in this precise manor? One might think that the author was a Baptist?

But then there is the sentence which was left out, from the beginning of the UB quote above, which would add to the overall meaning of this narration, “The Adjuster remains with you in all disaster and through every sickness which does not wholly destroy the mentality.” … but was there a purpose in leaving it out? It might also indicate that if one mentality was wholly destroyed, the Adjuster cannot function without form of normal mentality?
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 3:32 AM

Sabinatu wrote: …parade of “non-choices”

Hi Sabinatu, environmental pollution you point to, is a different category to the activity of an individual person’s inner life involving the Thought Adjuster.

Tackling the “legacy of pollution” left by mining is an important social issue I agree. Those alive today and those generations to come, must share the consequences of unwise actions of previous generations in the knowledge that mistakes of the past are learning experiences sufficient to teach what not to repeat.

The notion that it’s worth leaving a place in as good a condition or better condition than you found it, takes a while to register.

Adam and Eve were gardeners.
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 3:52 AM

MidiChlorian wrote: “The Adjuster remains with you in all disaster and through every sickness which does not wholly destroy the mentality.” … but was there a purpose in leaving it out?

Hi Midi, thanks for adding your comment. My reason for leaving the first bit of the quote off was to focus on the fact, “…the body is the temple of God” we should look after it, respect it as such. Regarding your comment referring to Jesus drinking wine, you and I both know how balanced and moderate he was in all things, I hardly think he would have drunk wine in sufficient quantity to adversely affect his Thought Adjuster. Give some credit to the bodies natural metabolic processes. I’m in fact quite amazed that the body is so forgiving when I think of the junk people are putting into it these days.

Knowing that The Adjuster remains to experience with us every disaster and sickness that does not wholly destroy the mentality is a comfort. I’m reminded of a recent Leonard Cohen song:

“I fought against the bottle but I had to do it drunk
Took my diamond to the pawnshop but that don’t make it junk
I know that I’m forgiven but I don’t know how I know
I don’t trust my inner feelings, inner feelings come and go.”
AnonymousInactive
Aug 12, 2015, 4:22 AM

Vern wrote:

Give some credit to the bodies natural metabolic processes.

I do Vern, where I’ve never been drunk, in that I’m allergic to beer, must have something to due with the yeast, and I don’t like the taste of alcohol, and I can only tolerate a couple of ounces of wine but after a mouthful it starts to have an effect on me by making me feel the neurons firing in my brain. So, it would seem that my metabolic process doesn’t work like others, although if my sensitivity to spirits, is so intolerant, I cannot imagine what others get out of tying one on, why would someone want to be out of control?
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 4:24 AM

Vern wrote: …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty one, leaving 13 to check out…

Here’s No. 13 which goes back 30 million years, to the appearance of our mammalian animal ancestors.

Various groups of mammals had their origin in a uniqueanimalnow extinct. This carnivorous creature was something of a cross between a cat and a seal; it could live on land or in water and was highly intelligent and very active. In Europe the ancestor of the canine family evolved, soon giving rise to many species of small dogs. About the same time the gnawing rodents, including beavers, squirrels, gophers, mice, and rabbits, appeared and soon became a notable form of life, very little change having since occurred in this family. The later deposits of this period contain the fossil remains of dogs, cats, coons, and weasels in ancestral form. ^[Paper^{61:2.7, page 695:5]}

Interesting to note, man’s best friend, the dog, sprang from this mammal. Elsewhere in The Urantia Book the dog gets more credits as an able assistant in man’s social evolution. So does the horse in particular and domestic animals in general.

30,000,000 years ago the modern types of mammals began to make their appearance. Formerly the mammals had lived for the greater part in the hills, being of the mountainous types; suddenly there began the evolution of the plains or hoofed type, the grazing species, as differentiated from the clawed flesh eaters. These grazers sprang from an undifferentiated ancestor having five toes and forty-four teeth, which perished before the end of the age. Toe evolution did not progress beyond the three-toed stage throughout this period. ^[Paper^{61:2.8, page 695:6]}

Evolution is slow but sure, it took another 29 million years with the Life Carriers fostering the most advantageous strains as the various manifestations resulting from their experimentation with the standard life patterns, made their appearance, till the birth of the twins, Andon and Fonta the first humans. At which time, Urantia 606 of Satania was registered as an inhabited world.
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 4:53 AM

Vern wrote: …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty two, leaving 12 to check out…

Here’s No. 12 which deals with sacrificial ceremonies as the origin of worship.

Very early the Andonic peoples formed the habit of refraining from eating the flesh of the animal of tribal veneration. Presently, in order more suitably to impress the minds of their youths, they evolved a ceremony of reverence which was carried out about the body of one of these venerated animals; and still later on, this primitive performance developed into the more elaborate sacrificial ceremonies of their descendants. And this is the origin of sacrifices as a part of worship. This idea was elaborated by Moses in the Hebrew ritual and was preserved, in principle, by the Apostle Paul as the doctrine of atonement for sin by “the shedding of blood.” ^[Paper^{63:6.4, page 716:3]}

Sad that Christianity is still blighted with this primitive notion, which holds today’s believers in its regressive grip of “original sin,” thereby denying the saving message of sonship with God, the birthright of every normal mortal. Sin, being individual choice, cannot be inherited. Then on top of this already wrong notion, to impose the shedding of innocent sacrificial blood, makes it an even grosser error.

Survival was a life and death struggle in ancient times. immediate need to have food took precedence and as such, was the subject of prayer. Food was life.

That food was the all-important thing in the lives of these primitive human beings is shown by the prayer taught these simple folks by Onagar, their great teacher. And this prayer was: ^[Paper^{63:6.5, page 716:4]}

“O Breath of Life, give us this day our daily food, deliver us from the curse of the ice, save us from our forest enemies, and with mercy receive us into the Great Beyond.” ^[Paper^{63:6.6, page 716:5]}
SabinatuBlocked
Aug 12, 2015, 7:29 AM
@Vern – Hi Midi, thanks for adding your comment. My reason for leaving the first bit of the quote off was to focus on the fact, “…the body is the temple of God” we should look after it, respect it as such.

And my point was that we have far less CHOICE as to what gets into the temple these days, don’t we? Or at least, that is what maybe my TA wanted to share with your TA? For you and other TUB “teachers” to stop dropping ALL responsibility for the misdeeds of OTHERS on some innocent individual doing the best they can. Just the other day, as I got into washing the leaves in the middle of the “organic” red leaf lettuce, I found a human doodie lodged in there…guess the lack of enough portapotties in the fields for the pickers is still an issue? Or maybe just a case of being on the surprise! side of a mental poison ….over-population does not bring out the best in humanity, so whoever wants to convince people that they DESERVE to rule the world in “his name” – be it God the Father or the self-proclaimed God of Urantia – they first have to explain why all they seem to be able to do is turn people into slave labor and then kill them when the labor is done – a slow painful untimely death by pollution you did not know you were ingesting “in his name” (what is torture when greed is good?), or the more merciful “choice” of letting a chip be planed in your skull that directs the nuke to your location as “ground zero”. There are very bad people around and they certainly gravitate towards shaman careers…

Just don’t use quotes from TUB to “rule”, not that that is what you were doing…after all we have all made the mistake of trying to understand the FER by jumping around it instead of reading it from beginning to end like a normal book reading is done :-). Appreciate the passages about species that came and went as a normal part of evolution leading up to “human”.

I am not quite ready to play Life Carrier, though, mixing a monkey with a dog and a touch of kitty in the gene splicing lab, but there seems to be a whole lot of others believing their “TA” is encouraging them to help humanity that way – experimenting with the life force outside of the “rules” of the Life Carriers.

See? Really important to know God the Father as Jesus perfectly revealed Him to us here on Urantia. Remember, Urantia was picked by Jesus (AKA Michael of Nebadon) because it provided the MAXIMUM contrast between the right way (God’s Will) and the wrong way, which is the only thing that most of humanity knew as “right” from the imperfect three previous epochal revelations.

How grateful to be here and now in a more level playing field!
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 2:01 PM

Sabinatu wrote: …normal part of evolution…

Hi Sabinatu, yes evolution is the sure method to achieve results, curiosity is meant to work in tandem with truth hunger to solve the mysteries of life like the human genome sequence in an sincere quest to prevent some of the hereditary defects that afflict people.

The challenge is to get our values established along ethical principles, there is sufficient contrast in society for people to make value based choices. Wisdom in creative endeavour requires integration of things , meanings and values. At present there is undue emphasis on things sensory and material, I’m of the view a corrective reassessment in the inner supermaterial spheres of human experience is in process.

Meanings are derived from a combination of recognition and understanding. Meanings are nonexistent in a wholly sensory or material world. Meanings and values are only perceived in the inner or supermaterial spheres of human experience. ^[Paper^{111:4.2, page 1220:1]}

Only the inner life is truly creative.

The advances of true civilization are all born in this inner world of mankind. It is only the inner life that is truly creative. Civilization can hardly progress when the majority of the youth of any generation devote their interests and energies to the materialistic pursuits of the sensory or outer world. ^[Paper^{111:4.3, page 1220:2]}

The Life Carriers have done their work, and stepped aside, it is up to the bright minds among us to take an active interest in ethically based eugenics for the betterment of mankind.

The inner and the outer worlds have a different set of values. Any civilization is in jeopardy when three quarters of its youth enter materialistic professions and devote themselves to the pursuit of the sensory activities of the outer world. Civilization is in danger when youth neglect to interest themselves in ethics, sociology, eugenics, philosophy, the fine arts, religion, and cosmology. ^[Paper^{111:4.4, page 1220:3]}

The superconscious mind is an accessible resource to tap to find effective master patterns to progress civilization. Personality is inherently creative.

Only in the higher levels of the superconscious mind as it impinges upon the spirit realm of human experience can you find those higher concepts in association with effective master patterns which will contribute to the building of a better and more enduring civilization. Personality is inherently creative, but it thus functions only in the inner life of the individual. ^[Paper ^{111:4.5, page 1220:4]}
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 2:33 PM

Vern wrote: …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty three, leaving 11 to check out…

Here’s No. 11 which cautions humanity regarding the folly of allowing the superior freely to procreate with the inferior.

950,000 years ago the descendants of Andon and Fonta had migrated far to the east and to the west. To the west they passed over Europe to France and England. In later times they penetrated eastward as far as Java, where their bones were so recently found — the so-called Java man — and then journeyed on to Tasmania. ^[Paper^{64:1.6, page 719:1]}

The significance of good breeding is well understood by veterinarians, the same principles which produce exceptional racehorses would also work positively to enhance humans. This is well understood and applied in the development of Olympic athletes by National Sports Institutes all over the world.

The groups going west became less contaminated with the backward stocks of mutual ancestral origin than those going east, who mingled so freely with their retarded animal cousins. These unprogressive individuals drifted southward and presently mated with the inferior tribes. Later on, increasing numbers of their mongrel descendants returned to the north to mate with the rapidly expanding Andonic peoples, and such unfortunate unions unfailingly deteriorated the superior stock. Fewer and fewer of the primitive settlements maintained the worship of the Breath Giver. This early dawn civilization was threatened with extinction. ^[Paper^{64:1.7, page 719:2]}

It is my view one of the reasons permission was granted to include the paper “Government on a Neighbouring Planet” was to emphasis the benefits of population regulation along lines of biologic, and mental fitness—eugenics.

And thus it has ever been on Urantia. Civilizations of great promise have successively deteriorated and have finally been extinguished by the folly of allowing the superior freely to procreate with the inferior. ^[Paper^{64:1.8, page 719:3]}
SabinatuBlocked
Aug 12, 2015, 5:53 PM
@Vern, who wrote, “The Life Carriers have done their work, and stepped aside, it is up to the bright minds among us to take an active interest in ethically based eugenics for the betterment of mankind.”

Wow, Vern, you sure are leap-frogging over the evolution of 900K years! Whoa there, horsie! How about refreshing your memory with Paper 118….

^118:9.1 ^(1303.2) “Time and space are a conjoined mechanism of the master universe. They are the devices whereby finite creatures are enabled to coexist in the cosmos with the Infinite. Finite creatures are effectively insulated from the absolute levels by time and space. But these insulating media, without which no mortal could exist, operate directly to limit the range of finite action. Without them no creature could act, but by them the acts of every creature are definitely limited.

^118:9.2 ^(1303.3) Mechanisms produced by higher minds function to liberate their creative sources but to some degree unvaryingly limit the action of all subordinate intelligences. To the creatures of the universes this limitation becomes apparent as the mechanism of the universes. Man does not have unfettered free will; there are limits to his range of choice, but within the radius of this choice his will is relatively sovereign.

^118:9.3 ^(1303.4) The life mechanism of the mortal personality, the human body, is the product of supermortal creative design; therefore it can never be perfectly controlled by man himself. Only when ascending man, in liaison with the fused Adjuster, self-creates the mechanism for personality expression, will he achieve perfected control thereof.

^118:9.4 ^(1303.5) The grand universe is mechanism as well as organism, mechanical and living — a living mechanism activated by a Supreme Mind, co-ordinating with a Supreme Spirit, and finding expression on maximum levels of power and personality unification as the Supreme Being. But to deny the mechanism of the finite creation is to deny fact and to disregard reality.

^118:9.5 ^(1303.6) Mechanisms are the products of mind, creative mind acting on and in cosmic potentials. Mechanisms are the fixed crystallizations of Creator thought, and they ever function true to the volitional concept that gave them origin. But the purposiveness of any mechanism is in its origin, not in its function.”

The PURPOSE of any mechanism is found in its ORIGIN, not in its function!

I guess it takes a certain level of unfettered and humble human intelligence to appreciate that we have a bigger range of choice as regards our SPIRITUAL progress than we have in manipulating genes.

Eugenics is a simple selection – not breeding with the “markedly unfit”, and practicing quarantine when fast moving plagues overtake current knowledge.

Successful eugenics has quietly been practiced among peoples who chose not to reproduce out of kindness, love and mercy – not to hand over the hardship of ill health to progeny.

How much of labor and enterprise should be poured into a chase for “cures” for something that would never exist to begin with if the “markedly unfit” is consistently eliminated? Instead of more and more investment made into labs analyzing what the “pollution” is and how it is killing organic life forms

and fewer and fewer people are benefiting from the polluting “product” – that psychotic shaman and his majik stick gizmo –

such selfish and unfair investment by a minority can be re-directed into the gift of TIME for all of humanity to consider where they SPIRITUALLY want to go next!
VernParticipant
Aug 12, 2015, 11:02 PM

Sabinatu wrote: …The PURPOSE of any mechanism is found in its ORIGIN

Yes Sabinatu, in a broad sense we all, “live breathe and have our being in God and to God we return.” Thanks for sharing the limitations by which we animal-origin mortals are constrained.

This topic with its look at origins, was taking up the talking point presented in The Urantia Book that an effort to clear up the confusion of compounded errors resulting from partial knowledge of evolutionary history can be assisted by considering origin and destiny.

The quotes are talking points.

There are many references suggesting the wisdom of safeguarding the home as humanities supreme evolutionary acquirement.

…the home — man’s supreme evolutionary acquirement and civilization’s only hope of survival.^[Paper^{84:8.6, page 943:1]}

The home is the cradle, from which the moral values of society spring, a loving nurturing place where the lessons of interacting with the emerging self assertions of diverse individuals is first experienced and integrated within a family framework which is then expanded to include those friendships formed within the greater community.

…The home is the natural social arena wherein the ethics of blood brotherhood may be grasped by the growing children. The family is the fundamental unit of fraternity in which parents and children learn those lessons of patience, altruism, tolerance, and forbearance which are so essential to the realization of brotherhood among all men. ^[Paper^{84:7.28, page 941:9]}

The consultative “round the able” open discussion as practiced by Andites would be conducive to fostering mutual respect based on equality and fraternity, initially within the family dynamic, then spreading to social relations in general. This is an alternative to the traditional patriarchal model, now with the emancipated appreciation of gender equality, being seriously challenged.

Human society would be greatly improved if the civilized races would more generally return to the family-council practices of the Andites. They did not maintain the patriarchal or autocratic form of family government. They were very brotherly and associative, freely and frankly discussing every proposal and regulation of a family nature. They were ideally fraternal in all their family government. In an ideal family filial and parental affection are both augmented by fraternal devotion. ^[Paper^{84:7.29, page 941:10]}

From the family come the understandings of true morality arising from the necessity of adjustment to other and diverse personalities. parents attain the Creator viewpoint, children experience the first of a long series of disclosures of being loved.

Family life is the progenitor of true morality, the ancestor of the consciousness of loyalty to duty. The enforced associations of family life stabilize personality and stimulate its growth through the compulsion of necessitous adjustment to other and diverse personalities. But even more, a true family — a good family — reveals to the parental procreators the attitude of the Creator to his children, while at the same time such true parents portray to their children the first of a long series of ascending disclosures of the love of the Paradise parent of all universe children. ^[Paper^{84:7.30, page 942:1]}
VernParticipant
Aug 13, 2015, 2:56 PM

Sabinatu wrote: Successful eugenics has quietly been practiced among peoples who chose not to reproduce out of kindness, love and mercy – not to hand over the hardship of ill health to progeny.

Yes, those responsible choices are being made in synchrony with advances in solving hereditary diseases by scientific medical research.

Consider also the reason why the revelatory commission chose to impress upon or minds the significance of eugenics.

A quick search on the word “degenerate” resulted in 12 results with descriptive paragraphs either side of the one containing the term “degenerate” to provide context.

Essentially the problem our world faces is the unfinished work of biologic improvement. On a normal inhabited world, evolutionary races are destined to be blended and exalted by amalgamation with the progeny of the Adamic uplifters. But before these peoples are blended, the inferior and unfit are largely eliminated. The Planetary Prince and the Material Son, with other suitable planetary authorities, pass upon the fitness of the reproducing strains. The difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals of your world races.

As I mentioned in my previous post, we have been provided with the extraordinary account of the methods employed by the people of a nation state in a Neighbouring Planet. They too have a rebellion seared history and have managed to implement a practical solution to their own population in absence of Planetary Prince or Material Son to pass upon the fitness of the reproducing strains.

We are told we should at least have the capacity to manage and regulate the most obvious instances of degeneracy.

…Notwithstanding this obstacle, it seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshiping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks. ^[Paper 51^{:4.8, page 585:4]}

It’s wise to promote increase in the higher, while curtailing the lower, types of mortals.

…the plan of promoting the increase of the higher types of mortals with proportionate curtailment of the lower. And it is the failure of your early peoples to thus discriminate between these types that accounts for the presence of so many defective and degenerate individuals among the present-day Urantia races. ^{[Paper 52}^{:2.9, page 592:2]}

We are informed, It is neither tenderness nor altruism to bestow futile sympathy upon degenerated human beings, unsalvable abnormal and inferior mortals.

…There exist on even the most normal of the evolutionary worlds sufficient differences between individuals and between numerous social groups to provide for the full exercise of all those noble traits of altruistic sentiment and unselfish mortal ministry without perpetuating the socially unfit and the morally degenerate strains of evolving humanity. There is abundant opportunity for the exercise of tolerance and the function of altruism in behalf of those unfortunate and needy individuals who have not irretrievably lost their moral heritage and forever destroyed their spiritual birthright. ^{[Paper 52}^{:2.12, page 592:5]}

There will ever be problems while there is reproduction without restraint.

…But poverty and dependence can never be eliminated if the defective and degenerate stocks are freely supported and permitted to reproduce without restraint. ^{[Paper 71}^{:3.8, page 803:8]}

On the nation of a Neighbouring Planet slavery was abolished more than a century ago and more than fifty years ago they deported the last of their inferior one-time slaves.

…Those slaves who satisfactorily passed mental, moral, and physical tests were granted citizenship; many of these superior slaves were war captives or children of such captives. Some fifty years ago they deported the last of their inferior slaves, and still more recently they are addressing themselves to the task of reducing the numbers of their degenerate and vicious classes. ^[Paper 72^{:5.2, page 813:3]}

Hybridization is the means of the creation of new and more vigorous strains.

Present-day prejudice against “half-castes,” “hybrids,” and “mongrels” arises because modern racial crossbreeding is, for the greater part, between the grossly inferior strains of the races concerned. You also get unsatisfactory offspring when the degenerate strains of the same race intermarry. ^{[Paper 82}^{:6.3, page 920:1]}

If the present-day races of Urantia could be freed from the curse of their lowest strata of deteriorated, antisocial, feeble-minded, and outcast specimens, there would be little objection to a limited race amalgamation. And if such racial mixtures could take place between the highest types of the several races, still less objection could be offered. ^[Paper 82^{:6.4, page 920:2]}

Hybridization of superior and dissimilar stocks is the secret of the creation of new and more vigorous strains. And this is true of plants, animals, and the human species. Hybridization augments vigor and increases fertility. Race mixtures of the average or superior strata of various peoples greatly increase creative potential, as is shown in the present population of the United States of North America. When such matings take place between the lower or inferior strata, creativity is diminished, as is shown by the present-day peoples of southern India. ^[Paper 82^{:6.5, page 920:3]}

There is great potential for “sudden” improvement as a result of hybridization resulting from union of superior strains.

Race blending greatly contributes to the sudden appearance of new characteristics, and if such hybridization is the union of superior strains, then these new characteristics will also be superior traits. ^[Paper 82^{:6.6, page 920:4]}

As long as present-day races are so overloaded with inferior and degenerate strains, race intermingling on a large scale would be most detrimental, but most of the objections to such experiments rest on social and cultural prejudices rather than on biological considerations. Even among inferior stocks, hybrids often are an improvement on their ancestors. Hybridization makes for species improvement because of the role of the dominant genes. Racial intermixture increases the likelihood of a larger number of the desirable dominants being present in the hybrid. ^[Paper 82^{:6.7, page 920:5]}

It’s encouraging to learn that in the past hundred years more racial hybridization has happened than in thousands of years previously. To my thinking this is a consequence of migration and consequent resettlement within a more stable, progressive society than region of origin.

For the past hundred years more racial hybridization has been taking place on Urantia than has occurred in thousands of years. The danger of gross disharmonies as a result of crossbreeding of human stocks has been greatly exaggerated. The chief troubles of “half-breeds” are due to social prejudices. ^[Paper 82^{:6.8, page 920:6]}

In the following quote, again is mentioned the folly of permitting unrestrained mutiplication of inferior and degenerate strains rather than any “supposed” danger of racial interbreeding.

After all, the real jeopardy of the human species is to be found in the unrestrained multiplication of the inferior and degenerate strains of the various civilized peoples rather than in any supposed danger of their racial interbreeding. ^[Paper 82^{:6.8, page 920:6]}

The church, while doing well in helping the underprivileged, has fostered an unhealthy sentimentality when honest pragmatism would produce better outcomes. In fact this unwise tendency has tremendously retarded the progress of civilization.

The church, because of overmuch false sentiment, has long ministered to the underprivileged and the unfortunate, and this has all been well, but this same sentiment has led to the unwise perpetuation of racially degenerate stocks which have tremendously retarded the progress of civilization. ^[Paper 99^{:3.5, page 1088:6]}

In sharing these quotes it becomes quite clear to me that while improvements have been made in fostering the higher types of individuals, more should be done with clearly communicated reasons why such a course of action is advisable. Promote increase in the higher, while curtailing the lower, types of mortals.
SabinatuBlocked
Aug 13, 2015, 7:27 PM
Unlike the puerile yaddayadda that is allowed on other USA centric TUB forums where no lies get corrected by the censors (who only viciously shut down “sincere” readers) – ie. the latest lie unchallenged is “caligastia” claiming that humans could not visually SEE The Material Son and Daughter who were sent here to plant an immune system upgrade in humans that did not EVOLVE on Urantia – gee, what part of MATERIAL Son and Daughter did he not understand? They are MATERIAL so that they can be SEEN…..sigh…I am going to be a stickler about what is in TUB and what is in a reader’s imagination about what is in TUB, and “medical research” gadflies are buzzing all over the forums….and I am pretty much the ONLY reader left who is still standing with the FACTS about “error” – not letting FALSE “ideas” in the hands of “what is torture when greed is good” ists monkey around with Life Carrier’s evolution plans.

Vern, “….Yes, those responsible choices are being made in synchrony with advances in solving hereditary diseases by scientific medical research.”

That is not what I said or implied or insinuated, it is all your interpretation and I have to correct you, Vern, about what is clear in TUB – we have to work with what we’ve got – I honestly cannot comprehend how big of an ego you have to have to believe that EXPERIMENTATION is superior to EVOLUTION! And if Life Carriers sign a promise to stop manipulating life forms once human will appears – what creature believes it can experiment with the creator’s mechanism without permission and without the BRAIN to understand the knowledge of HOW?

^65:3.6 ^(734.3) “Mankind on Urantia must solve its problems of mortal development with the human stocks it has — no more races will evolve from prehuman sources throughout all future time. But this fact does not preclude the possibility of the attainment of vastly higher levels of human development through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races. That which we, the Life Carriers, do toward fostering and conserving the life strains before the appearance of human will, man must do for himself after such an event and subsequent to our retirement from active participation in evolution. In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival.”
VernParticipant
Aug 14, 2015, 2:55 AM

Sabinatu wrote: …intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races.

Yes, which is an additional shared piece of information to add to the body of all the other references provided to us that we have the capacity to do something practical, intelligent fostering means acting with wisdom and purpose to solve a known problem. In looking at fundamentals of “origin,” the morality of home life and the initial experience of love I’m reminded how vital spirit is in evolutionary progress.

Sabinatu wrote: …In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival.

Specifically because God has already bridged the distance to make actual what is potential, the Adjuster’s plan of that particular person’s life. The gospel message is that all men and women with capacity to know God, actually experience this as a reality in their lives for the organic invisible spiritual brotherhood to establish itself. The spiritual network is solid, everlasting and ready to plug into by exercise of consistent freewill choice. Those morally motivated, thereby learn to work co-opertively with each other and apply scientific intelligence that has been operative all along in solving the practical challenges of modern civilization. We know well, how gunpowder has been used both constructively and destructively, there is good reason for eastablishment of the Nobel prizes as incentives towards excellence.

The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences awards the Nobel Prize in Physics, the Nobel Prize in Chemistry, and the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences; the Nobel Assembly at Karolinska Institutet awards the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine; the Swedish Academy grants the Nobel Prize in Literature; and the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded not by a Swedish organisation but by the Norwegian Nobel Committee.

Sabinatu wrote: …what creature believes it can experiment with the creator’s mechanism without permission…

This statement you make, when taken into consideration with your previous sharing of Urantia Book quotes on the definite limitations within which we animal origin mortals are able to function is instructive. No amount of curious experimentation will achieve the non-doable.

The Lucifer manifesto of liberty without restraint will hit the wall. The heart will triumph over wrong thinking. When my childern were little they held my heart when they held my hand. Now the’ve grown they still hold my heart even though they no longer need to hold my hand.

To enjoy privilege without abuse, to have liberty without license, to possess power and steadfastly refuse to use it for self-aggrandizement — these are the marks of high civilization. ^[Paper ^{48:7.8, page 556:8]}

Self mastery is the secret of true moral character, liberation of creative power of personality. Selfishness is self-limiting bondage, diminution of the creative potentials of personality.

Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage. ^[Paper ^{54:1.5, page 613:7]}
VernParticipant
Aug 14, 2015, 3:18 AM

Vern wrote: …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty four, leaving 10 to check out…

here’s No. 10 which makes that remarkable statement—between frog and Eskimo, no surviving ancestry—which causes discomfort amongst current evolutionary scientists.

The frog is one of the earliest of surviving human-race ancestors, but it also failed to progress, persisting today much as in those remote times. The frog is the only species ancestor of the early dawn races now living on the face of the earth. The human race has no surviving ancestry between the frog and the Eskimo. ^[Paper ^{65:2.7, page 732:5]}

Best way for a tadpole to become a frog, is to live loyally each day as a tadpole. There is great satisfaction to be who you are, such is the invitation-lure to perfection.

The frogs gave rise to the Reptilia, a great animal family which is virtually extinct, but which, before passing out of existence, gave origin to the whole bird family and the numerous orders of mammals. ^[Paper ^{65:2.8, page 732:6]}
SabinatuBlocked
Aug 14, 2015, 5:25 AM
We are able to make virtually unlimited free will choices that concern the choosing of what is SPIRIT/SOUL/God’s WILL, whatever you want to call that realm of which time and space are just a shadow.

Our physical choices on Urantia are, out of necessity and “evolution” and rebellion, much more limited.

The fewer Spiritual choices we make, the more scared will Nature’s face become. Selfishness is not only the “acme of ugliness”, it is destructive, it is never creative.

Vern wrote, “here’s No. 10 which makes that remarkable statement—between frog and Eskimo, no surviving ancestry—which causes discomfort amongst current evolutionary scientists.”

Let’s hope it gives them enough discomfort so that they pause to consider whether they know what they think they know
VernParticipant
Aug 14, 2015, 6:39 AM

Sabinatu wrote: Let’s hope it gives them enough discomfort so that they pause to consider whether they know what they think they know

Yes, and give them a moment to reflect a little and chuckle, on how little they know of how little they know.

When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous. One of the functions of humor is to help all of us take ourselves less seriously. Humor is the divine antidote for exaltation of ego. ^[Paper ^{48:4.15, page 549.2]}
VernParticipant
Aug 14, 2015, 11:31 AM

Vern wrote: …terms “animal” and “origin” yield 35 results, we’ve looked at twenty five, leaving 9 to check out…

Here’s No. 9 which deals with the “Fostering of Evolution.” For context this includes a quote which was recently included and commented on by Sabinatu. Despite the appearance of many strange creatures during the evolutionary process a purposeful plan has been behind it all. Life Carriers are not allowed to arbitrarily interfere with development of life patterns once they’ve been activated.

It will hardly be possible to explain to the present-day human mind many of the queer and apparently grotesque occurrences of early evolutionary progress. A purposeful plan was functioning throughout all of these seemingly strange evolutions of living things, but we are not allowed arbitrarily to interfere with the development of the life patterns after they have once been set in operation. ^[Paper^{65:3.1, page 733:7]} Life Carriers may employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution. ^[Paper^{65:3.2, page 733:8]}

We’ve been informed of the near death experience of a particular animal with ascending strains of favourable evolutionary development, however the Life carriers had others, should that particular one meet with a tragic accident.

You have been informed that Urantia mortals evolved by way of primitive frog development, and that this ascending strain, carried in potential in a single frog, narrowly escaped extinction on a certain occasion. But it should not be inferred that the evolution of mankind would have been terminated by an accident at this juncture. At that very moment we were observing and fostering no less than one thousand different and remotely situated mutating strains of life which could have been directed into various different patterns of prehuman development. This particular ancestral frog represented our third selection, the two prior life strains having perished in spite of all our efforts toward their conservation. ^[Paper^{65:3.3, page 733:9]}

At the time of Andon and Fonta, the Life Carriers had seven thousand favourable strains developing which could have achieved human type of development and the better stocks of these were subsequently assimilated.

Even the loss of Andon and Fonta before they had offspring, though delaying human evolution, would not have prevented it. Subsequent to the appearance of Andon and Fonta and before the mutating human potentials of animal life were exhausted, there evolved no less than seven thousand favorable strains which could have achieved some sort of human type of development. And many of these better stocks were subsequently assimilated by the various branches of the expanding human species. ^[Paper^{65:3.4, page 734:1]}

The capacity for human evolution arising from prehuman animal ancestors was exhausted well before the arrival of Adam and Eve. The Life Carriers were made aware of this stage of completion by the phenomena of the third phase of adjutant spirit mobilization.

Long before the Material Son and Daughter, the biologic uplifters, arrive on a planet, the human potentials of the evolving animal species have been exhausted. This biologic status of animal life is disclosed to the Life Carriers by the phenomenon of the third phase of adjutant spirit mobilization, which automatically occurs concomitantly with the exhaustion of the capacity of all animal life to give origin to the mutant potentials of prehuman individuals. ^[Paper^{65:3.5, page 734:2]}

Life Carriers are able to function and do function on three levels, physical level of electrochemistry, usual mid-phase of quasi-morontial existence and advanced semispiritual level. Exhaustion of human potentials arising from evolving animal species is when they take renunciation vows and function on the advanced semispiritual third level.

After organic evolution has run a certain course and free will of the human type has appeared in the highest evolving organisms, the Life Carriers must either leave the planet or take renunciation vows; that is, they must pledge themselves to refrain from all attempts further to influence the course of organic evolution. And when such vows are voluntarily taken by those Life Carriers who choose to remain on the planet as future advisers to those who shall be intrusted with the fostering of the newly evolved will creatures, there is summoned a commission of twelve, presided over by the chief of the Evening Stars, acting by authority of the System Sovereign and with permission of Gabriel; and forthwith these Life Carriers are transmuted to the third phase of personality existence — the semispiritual level of being. And I have functioned on Urantia in this third phase of existence ever since the times of Andon and Fonta.^[Paper^{65:1.8, page 731.3]}

Isn’t that amazing. The Life Carrier who has communicated the paragraph above, is a member of the original group of Life Carriers who 600,000,000 years ago worked on the experimental life patterns in the first place. Brought them here, 550,000,000 years ago, implanted them in the prehistoric shallow seas, had them activated with the life spark and fostered their evolutionary development till Andon and Fonta appeared and Urantia was registered an inhabited world 993,489 years ago. Now this Life Carrier of Nebadon serves on as a resident on Urantia. This Life Carrier urges us on to shape our own destiny now that the life shaping phase is over for Life Carriers. There is still human development to be made through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races.

Mankind on Urantia must solve its problems of mortal development with the human stocks it has — no more races will evolve from prehuman sources throughout all future time. But this fact does not preclude the possibility of the attainment of vastly higher levels of human development through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races. That which we, the Life Carriers, do toward fostering and conserving the life strains before the appearance of human will, man must do for himself after such an event and subsequent to our retirement from active participation in evolution. In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival. ^[Paper^{65:3.6, page 734:3]}

This Life Carrier even encourages us to consider the job prospects beyond this initial moral life experience once death has been survived an the mansion world experience opens up with new possibilities of service within the corps of Life carriers themselves.

And in discussing the fostering of evolution, it would not be amiss to point out that, in the long future ahead, when you may sometime be attached to a corps of Life Carriers, you will have abundant and ample opportunity to offer suggestions and make any possible improvements in the plans and technique of life management and transplantation. Be patient! If you have good ideas, if your minds are fertile with better methods of administration for any part of the universal domains, you are certainly going to have an opportunity to present them to your associates and fellow administrators in the ages to come. ^[Paper^{65:3.7, page 734:4]}
SabinatuBlocked
Aug 14, 2015, 7:50 PM

Vern wrote:

Sabinatu wrote: Let’s hope it gives them enough discomfort so that they pause to consider whether they know what they think they know

Yes, and give them a moment to reflect a little and chuckle, on how little they know of how little they know.

When we are tempted to magnify our self-importance, if we stop to contemplate the infinity of the greatness and grandeur of our Makers, our own self-glorification becomes sublimely ridiculous, even verging on the humorous. One of the functions of humor is to help all of us take ourselves less seriously. Humor is the divine antidote for exaltation of ego.^[Paper^{48:4.15, page 549.2]}

The way I (and I assume with my TA’s help processing “infinity” concepts) re-organized this information for a revelation addition to my experientially earned knowledge is that “evolution” is how The First Source and Center cast the shadow of infinity – time and space – and filled it with “life”. God’s Will, God’s Plans – the origin. The creature monkey-ing around – mechanically – with stuff even Life Carriers don’t mess with makes me ask, with mirth, “Gee, what could go wrong there?” Especially since the “purpose” of the monkey-ing around is “greed is good”, the only prevailing philosophy for living currently in operation in “medical research” launched as the “spiritual” component to Viagra – humorous, indeed….

TUB quote – “…A purposeful plan was functioning throughout all of these seemingly strange evolutions of living things, but we are not allowed arbitrarily to interfere with the development of the life patterns after they have once been set in operation. ^[Paper^{65:3.1, page 733:7]} Life Carriers may employ every possible natural resource and may utilize any and all fortuitous circumstances which will enhance the developmental progress of the life experiment, but we are not permitted mechanically to intervene in, or arbitrarily to manipulate the conduct and course of, either plant or animal evolution. ^[Paper^{65:3.2, page 733:8]}

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