Brooklyn_born wrote:Does the Spirit of Truth play any role in this?The Spirit of Truth and the Holy Spirit work as one.
Ah! okay thanks.
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What are cosmic relationships?
55 posts · 6 participants · started Sep 13, 2014, 5:54 PM
I think the question is not “what are” but what is “cosmic relationships”, where this term is found six times in the Urantia Book, but the last usage seems to explain this term better then its use elsewhere:
(1146.6) 104:3.4 While reason demands a monotheistic unity of cosmic reality, finite experience requires the postulate of plural Absolutes and of their co-ordination in cosmic relationships. Without co-ordinate existences there is no possibility for the appearance of diversity of absolute relationships, no chance for the operation of differentials, variables, modifiers, attenuators, qualifiers, or diminishers.
(1146.5) 104:3.3 In some manner the eternal repleteness of infinity must be reconciled with the time-growth of the evolving universes and with the incompleteness of the experiential inhabitants thereof. In some way the conception of total infinitude must be so segmented and qualified that the mortal intellect and the morontia soul can grasp this concept of final value and spiritualizing significance.
(1146.4) 104:3.2 Mortal man is passing through a great age of expanding horizons and enlarging concepts on Urantia, and his cosmic philosophy must accelerate in evolution to keep pace with the expansion of the intellectual arena of human thought. As the cosmic consciousness of mortal man expands, he perceives the interrelatedness of all that he finds in his material science, intellectual philosophy, and spiritual insight. Still, with all this belief in the unity of the cosmos, man perceives the diversity of all existence. In spite of all concepts concerning the immutability of Deity, man perceives that he lives in a universe of constant change and experiential growth. Regardless of the realization of the survival of spiritual values, man has ever to reckon with the mathematics and premathematics of force, energy, and power.
Have you ever thought about what your life would have been like if you made a different decision, or choice in the past, like how would one’s life have been if they married this person or another? Well if one has lived a diverse type of life, and experienced many different situations, and actually paid attention to detail, one just might be able to see the similarities between different people who you have associated with, if you are able to recall these diverse events, one just might recognize that these similarities just might be related to each other. If one has lead a static life where there has been little variety it may not be that noticeable because having little variety also means one has made few diverse choices, therefore less diverse experiences, and for the most part less regret about having made fewer decisions. Even if these decisions do not foster regret, they do foster thought and what ifs. You may just be satisfied about where you are at the present, and if so without regret, it opens up the mind to look back and at the present around you, where you just might recognize, that you may have ended up exactly where you should be, regardless of all the crap that you may have had to go through.
Relationships with people are different because people are different, but if you look at all people as being just one person, you may find that they have similar traits, characteristics and personality patterns but may show themselves at different time. So, basically there are just a few patterns which one needs to recognize to notice that there may be billions of people but that they don’t differ that much from just a few, given specific circumstances. Therefore, in the cosmic sense, there is repetition and to realize cosmic relationships is to recognize that everything is related to itself and relative to the individual. In essence you are the only one who exists and everything that goes on around you is related to you in some way shape or form, regardless of where you are in the universe. It is recognizing who we were, and are, in relation to others, and realizing that even though it is different it is all the same.
Midi, comparing one who has had diverse choices vs. someone who has had very limited choices, do you think the latter has deprived self of experiences needed for soul growth or maybe that person stunted soul growth?
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Midi, comparing one who has had diverse choices vs. someone who has had very limited choices, do you think the latter has deprived self of experiences needed for soul growth or maybe that person stunted soul growth?
Good question, although if you take into account that in the UB it indicates that young souls my get young Thought Adjusters, with less experience, but the combination of virgin intellect has its advantages, assuming that the objective or resulting combination has a better chance to learn, and also to learn from other’s mistakes. Thereby, being able to grow without having to experience making these mistakes, but assimilating other’s mistakes and associating them with oneself. This would indicate that evolution of a soul can skip the necessary mistake making of choosing, as long as the basics of life have been noticed therefore, becoming part of the ancestral development of the soul. It is not always necessary to make the same mistakes as your ancestors to have these traits imbedded into the individual. But, ones environment, can also change, which fosters different opportunities for observation, whereby to acquire experience, by watching others go through the obvious error making which the observer, with heightened, or enlightened intellect, would not need to experience. The assumption is that everyone does not always start with the same level of soul growth, because we can inherit much from our parents, yet the seed which falls on infertile ground may take longer to germinate and have a shorter life span but if given water and warmth, roots will sprout and seek fertile ground.
Midi, comparing one who has had diverse choices vs. someone who has had very limited choices, do you think the latter has deprived self of experiences needed for soul growth or maybe that person stunted soul growth?
Good question, although if you take into account that in the UB it indicates that young souls my get young Thought Adjusters, with less experience, but the combination of virgin intellect has its advantages, assuming that the objective or resulting combination has a better chance to learn, and also to learn from other’s mistakes. Thereby, being able to grow without having to experience making these mistakes, but assimilating other’s mistakes and associating them with oneself. This would indicate that evolution of a soul can skip the necessary mistake making of choosing, as long as the basics of life have been noticed therefore, becoming part of the ancestral development of the soul. It is not always necessary to make the same mistakes as your ancestors to have these traits imbedded into the individual. But, ones environment, can also change, which fosters different opportunities for observation, whereby to acquire experience, by watching others go through the obvious error making which the observer, with heightened, or enlightened intellect, would not need to experience. The assumption is that everyone does not always start with the same level of soul growth, because we can inherit much from our parents, yet the seed which falls on infertile ground may take longer to germinate and have a shorter life span but if given water and warmth, roots will sprout and seek fertile ground.
Thought provoking response. Thanks, Midi.
I wonder if TAs that have accumulated human experiences during previous incarnations impart those values onto the hosting mind. In such circumstance, the personality, necessarily, may not have to go through those respective experiences? Survivable, spiritual values ‘counterparted’ from those previous incarnations somehow could be credited to the newly indwelt mind?
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I wonder if TAs that have accumulated human experiences during previous incarnations impart those values onto the hosting mind. In such circumstance, the personality necessarily may not have to go through those respective experiences? Survivable, spiritual values ‘counterparted’ from those previous incarnations may be credited to the new soul?
B.B., the better term to use is “re-personalization” rather than “previous incarnations” where incarnation would assume the same circumstances and it is not altogether determined that soul and TA pairing would be the same, and then it also can play a part as to whether the soul has been transplanted from a different environment. The human body would seem to have been designed to be able to accommodate many different (personality) species and is unique that through its design could be seeded with different (personality) race type creatures. That is why the Urantia Book indicates that Urantia was an experiment and that where other worlds would have used just two races to be combined, here we have started off with six or more over time, although, most likely all humanoid to some degree.
I wonder if TAs that have accumulated human experiences during previous incarnations impart those values onto the hosting mind. In such circumstance, the personality necessarily may not have to go through those respective experiences? Survivable, spiritual values ‘counterparted’ from those previous incarnations may be credited to the new soul?
B.B., the better term to use is “re-personalization” rather than “previous incarnations” where incarnation would assume the same circumstances and it is not altogether determined that soul and TA pairing would be the same, and then it also can play a part as to whether the soul has been transplanted from a different environment. The human body would seem to have been designed to be able to accommodate many different species and is unique that through its design could be seeded with different race type creatures. That is why the Urantia Book indicates that Urantia was an experiment and that where other worlds would have used just two races to be combined, here we have started off with six or more over time, although, most likely all humanoid to some degree.
Understood. Thanks for the clarification: “Re-personalized.” There was a reference Bonita posted in the adjutant thread which caught my attention. I may have seen it before but paid no mind until now. Here is the sentence:
5 Spornagia are the only creatures in all the universe of Nebadon who experience this or any other sort of reincarnation. They are only reactive to the first five of the adjutant mindspirits; they are not responsive to the spirits of worship and wisdom. But the five-adjutant mind equivalates to a totality or sixth reality level, and it is this factor which persists as an experiential identity
I really should start a thread to address that revelation, specifically. Anyway, since we are talking about re-personalization I figure I could slip it in here.
What is your thought on “any other sort of reincarnation?” Are there different types? There are other parts in the revelation that say human reincarnation is a myth. Does it only apply to animals?
I am just curious what the author means by different kinds of reincarnation. Does “other types” qualify the possibility that humans could be subject to reincarnation but just not the one commonly spoken of in Hinduism?
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B.B., before venturing off on that topic area, let me infuse something which might assimilate an idea about inter-association between species.
If you haven’t seen this movie, it is an interesting plot which might help.
“Enemy Mine (Film)“, I found it interesting and enlightening, and it might associate to the two race species building on other worlds which might indicate the difficulty as related on Urantia.
B.B., before venturing off on that topic area, let me infuse something which might assimilate an idea about inter-association between species. If you haven’t seen this movie, it is an interesting plot which might help. “Enemy Mine (Film)“, I found it interesting and enlightening, and it might associate to the two race species building on other worlds which might indicate the difficulty as related on Urantia.
You are saying the two race theory predates the six race theory? Could you elaborate more on the two race theory.
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Looks to me like it is either three races or six, according to the revelators.
64:6:30 There are many good and sufficient reasons for the plan of evolving either three or six colored races on the worlds of space. Though Urantia mortals may not be in a position fully to appreciate all of these reasons, we would call attention to the following:You can go to this ref. and read about it.
You are saying the two race theory predates the six race theory? Could you elaborate more on the two race theory.
Sorry B.B., I don’t have much power left on this computer, so I will need to wait to respond a little latter. I’ll get back to you on this.
Midi, comparing one who has had diverse choices vs. someone who has had very limited choices, do you think the latter has deprived self of experiences needed for soul growth or maybe that person stunted soul growth?
I know you asked Midi, but here is a quote that might answer your question. Social environment, which would or would not include diversity of choices, cannot affect soul growth as long as the personality is dedicated to doing God’s will.
100:1.6 Religious experience is markedly influenced by physical health, inherited temperament, and social environment. But these temporal conditions do not inhibit inner spiritual progress by a soul dedicated to the doing of the will of the Father in heaven. There are present in all normal mortals certain innate drives toward growth and self-realization which function if they are not specifically inhibited. The certain technique of fostering this constitutive endowment of the potential of spiritual growth is to maintain an attitude of wholehearted devotion to supreme values.
I wonder if TAs that have accumulated human experiences during previous incarnations impart those values onto the hosting mind. In such circumstance, the personality, necessarily, may not have to go through those respective experiences? Survivable, spiritual values ‘counterparted’ from those previous incarnations somehow could be credited to the newly indwelt mind?
Soul growth occurs by making decisions. Decisions, decisions and more decisions (39:4.14) Values cannot be credited from one personality to the another. They have to be earned. They must be discovered, recognized, interpreted and chosen by the personality before they can become the personality values of the soul.
There is a difference between spiritual values and personality values. The Adjuster retains all spiritual values achieved by the indwelt personality. The personality values achieved by the personality are part of the soul. If the personality, and hence soul, fail to survive, the personality values become part of the personality of the Supreme while spiritual values become part of the Adjuster.
16:9.3 If mortal man fails to survive natural death, the real spiritual values of his human experience survive as a part of the continuing experience of the Thought Adjuster. The personality values of such a nonsurvivor persist as a factor in the personality of the actualizing Supreme Being. Such persisting qualities of personality are deprived of identity but not of experiential values accumulated during the mortal life in the flesh. The survival of identity is dependent on the survival of the immortal soul of morontia status and increasingly divine value. Personality identity survives in and by the survival of the soul.
I wonder if TAs that have accumulated human experiences during previous incarnations impart those values onto the hosting mind. In such circumstance, the personality, necessarily, may not have to go through those respective experiences? Survivable, spiritual values ‘counterparted’ from those previous incarnations somehow could be credited to the newly indwelt mind?
Soul growth occurs by making decisions. Decisions, decisions and more decisions (39:4.14) Values cannot be credited from one personality to the another. They have to be earned. They must be discovered, recognized, interpreted and chosen by the personality before they can become the personality values of the soul.
There is a difference between spiritual values and personality values. The Adjuster retains all spiritual values achieved by the indwelt personality. The personality values achieved by the personality are part of the soul. If the personality, and hence soul, fail to survive, the personality values become part of the personality of the Supreme while spiritual values become part of the Adjuster.
16:9.3 If mortal man fails to survive natural death, the real spiritual values of his human experience survive as a part of the continuing experience of the Thought Adjuster. The personality values of such a nonsurvivor persist as a factor in the personality of the actualizing Supreme Being. Such persisting qualities of personality are deprived of identity but not of experiential values accumulated during the mortal life in the flesh. The survival of identity is dependent on the survival of the immortal soul of morontia status and increasingly divine value. Personality identity survives in and by the survival of the soul.
Ah! okay. thanks for clearing that up, Bonita.
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Looks to me like it is either three races or six, according to the revelators.
64:6:30 There are many good and sufficient reasons for the plan of evolving either three or six colored races on the worlds of space. Though Urantia mortals may not be in a position fully to appreciate all of these reasons, we would call attention to the following:You can go to this ref. and read about it
Just talking about Homo Sapiens here. There are those six colored races, plus the Nodite race and the Adamite race. So that is eight in total. I think that diversity is one reason there are so many, each race seems to bring its own flavor. I wonder what the Nodite race brought to the table that was unique to them.
Bonita, what would you say are some personality values vs. spiritual values?
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hat is why the Urantia Book indicates that Urantia was an experiment and that where other worlds would have used just two races to be combined, here we have started off with six or more over time, although, most likely all humanoid to some degree.
I don’t think you meant that other worlds would just use two races. This quote says that some worlds have three, but I don’t recall reading that any have just two.
49:4.2 There are six basic evolutionary races: three primary — red, yellow, and blue; and three secondary — orange, green, and indigo. Most inhabited worlds have all of these races, but many of the three-brained planets harbor only the three primary types. Some local systems also have only these three races.
Looks to me like it is either three races or six, according to the revelators.
64:6:30 There are many good and sufficient reasons for the plan of evolving either three or six colored races on the worlds of space. Though Urantia mortals may not be in a position fully to appreciate all of these reasons, we would call attention to the following:You can go to this ref. and read about it
Just talking about Homo Sapiens here. There are those six colored races, plus the Nodite race and the Adamite race. So that is eight in total. I think that diversity is one reason there are so many, each race seems to bring its own flavor. I wonder what the Nodite race brought to the table that was unique to them.
So the Nodites were Homosapiens. What would you say the Sangik colored races were? Hominids?
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“Re-personalized.”
Only persons can be repersonalized. Adjusters are not persons, they are pre-persons. They indwell.
“Re-personalized.”
Only persons can be repersonalized. Adjusters are not persons, they are pre-persons. They indwell.
Oh, okay. Thanks.
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