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23 posts · 6 participants · started Feb 28, 2017, 3:31 AM

  1. Bradly wrote: We may only discover, discern, respond, and utilize it

    Which is why they say in regards to spiritual insight all we can do is discover, recognize, interpret and choose.  Spiritual insight is insight into the soul where truth lives.

    p2094:9 196:3.10 The human mind does not create real values; human experience does not yield universe insight. Concerning insight, the recognition of moral values and the discernment of spiritual meanings, all that the human mind can do is to discover, recognize, interpret, and choose.

    Bradly wrote: The religion of Jesus must be lived and self chosen – exemplified by its living!  The teacher of truth:
    And in regards to religion, it is not learned either.  True religion is a living truth and must be experienced.

    100:1.7 Religion cannot be bestowed, received, loaned, learned, or lost. It is a personal experience which grows proportionally to the growing quest for final values. Cosmic growth thus attends on the accumulation of meanings and the ever-expanding elevation of values. But nobility itself is always an unconscious growth.

    You can’t teach true religion.  Trying to teach religion is really teaching facts, facts you have allowed to rise to the level of personal belief.  You’re merely teaching your personal psychic organization of facts that you’ve transformed into your own personal belief system.  Don’t forget how TUB defines psychology:

    p1135:3  103:6.1  Theology is the study of the actions and reactions of the human spirit; it can never become a science since it must always be combined more or less with psychology in its personal expression and with philosophy in its systematic portrayal. Theology is always the study of your religion; the study of another’s religion is psychology.

    Jesus did not teach religion. He taught a living gospel: the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man.  He revealed his Father as a personal Father of all.

    195:10.21   The hope of modern Christianity is that it should cease to sponsor the social systems and industrial policies of Western civilization while it humbly bows itself before the cross it so valiantly extols, there to learn anew from Jesus of Nazareth the greatest truths mortal man can ever hear—the living gospel of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man. 

    142:7.4 Jesus said: “The people of another age will better understand the gospel of the kingdom when it is presented in terms expressive of the family relationship — when man understands religion as the teaching of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man, sonship with God.”

    140:4.7  Religion is valid only when it reveals the fatherhood of God and enhances the brotherhood of men.

  2. Gene says above: “I do know this: if ever I had an opportunity to talk about a TUB concept that is new, or not covered in the Bible, I need to wear my flame suit. no talent for such a thing exists in me.”

    Ahhhhh….but there is so much in the Bible that is true or comes from fact and universe reality to stoke such wonderful conversations with our Bible based believer friends!

    The non-beginning of eternity, the infinite power and knowledge of God, the eternal adventure destiny potential, the assurances of our safety and God’s love in all trials and tribulations, the power of love and its source/origin, the Spirit within, the personal relationship with God, the Golden Rule, the Two Commandments, the Parables, and the karmic results of the OT for forsaking the Spirit, to name but a few.

    The strategies employed for such discussions of shared/in-common teachings from 2000-4000 years ago are the issue, not a lack of topics for sharing and exploring.  Leading with questions and following up with more questions might lead to many such conversations.  Simply try coaxing the Spirit to speak through both minds is a good start.  After all, its not about being persuasive or convincing…right?  = )

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  3. Right

    sharing must be important otherwise I would not feel the need to do it.

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