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The URANTIA Movement

53 posts · 7 participants · started Aug 20, 2014, 5:06 PM

  1. Yes Bonita, there are those who count their own circles and those with the seeming ability or willingness to assess the progress of others.  I also agree that a charlatan without an audience is not a charlatan at all….it does take an audience.  And while it is often true that it is the newer reader that is more easily misled, that’s not always the case.  The “special” status or  chosen people syndrome is a greater temptation in my view.  But there are those who seem grounded and well read and  still succumb to the allures of self delusion.  I’ve known many of each flavor over the years.

    The UB is filled with facts and truths which contradict the preconceptions of the student.  For me, it seems, that new concepts I come to believe by study of the UB, still offer further opportunity for prejudice and the need for correction of those new, now preconceptions.  I find group study, like this forum and other forms of association, helps me to continually challenge my current thinking or conclusions and keep me always in a state of transcending prior understanding into greater understanding by the contributions and various perspectives encountered in groups…..especially open and multiple groups.  It is quite educational, if one is open minded, to learn about the Revelation, about other people, and about my own response/reaction to both of those by listening to and conversing with many different perspectives.

    I spent a long time as an isolated reader before meeting another one.  And I spent a long time, again 20 years later, as an isolated reader by choice due to some bitter disappointments in organizational disunity and dysfunctionality before dipping my toe back in the pool of diversity and within the “movement”.  And this is one source of my interest in the topic.  What are the advantages of engaging with others despite the great disparity between so many beliefs and practices, despite the one shared text?

    Bonita, I agree so much with your call for educational opportunities as a priority within the movement…rather than so many of the other options available.  This is key to me as well….the Revelation speaks for itself and the reading and studying of it, both individually and together, is the primary goal of mine as a member of the movement – dissemination of the text and association with those with the fruits of the spirit as evidence of personal progress in the spirit….the dedication to truth, beauty, and goodness by each to support those who find this book and also wish such community with others.

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  2. Regarding Brad’s thoughts about connections between planetary seraphic activities and human lives, I may be reading between the lines, but I saw simply his humorous implications.  Bradly wrote:

    “We mortals are short term “temps” that provide energy and error for their utilization.  Or something like that!”

    Indeed!  If the Seraphic planetary government is to make their splendid lemonade, they need us lemons.    ;-)

    Rather than worry about what we students of these papers might be “meant to do”, I thought he was saying that simply by doing as Bonita suggests — living a life sensitive to Adjuster promptings and cosmic intuitions — then those whose job it is can plan ahead.  Of course, the more reliable we become, the more interesting their plans can be.

    PS: let me get one thing straight.  Bonita, you lock up your house elves ??   :-(

    Nigel

  3. Thanks Nigel for seeing my point and my attempt at humor.  Indeed it is my view that everything done by mortals that are by good intent, proper motive, and sincere desire are available not only to the Supreme but also to the angels.  Our efforts, whether they be in family or profession or community….as we walk by or with forethought, planning, and purpose become “elements” for the formulaic activities of our unseen friends….not that anyone should try to predetermine what their agenda is or influence or even participate….just support by sincere efforts.  I only claim tadpole status after all…..I don’t have any confidence in my abilities, influence, skills, or outcome management except for the task before me or the choice at hand.  Those keep me keep me quite busy….and confused enough.

    Mortals tend to self importance and great impatience.  But those are only 2 things that lie  within the topic….the aggregate movement of dissemination, education, fellowship, and community.  There most definitely is a movement.  It will certainly get bigger.  There is great diversity and some division.  And all of that does absolutely provide raw material and potential for our celestial family to work with in their own ways.  No great claims made by that simple acknowledgement.  Divine lemonade is made by celestials from the lemons we mortals provide…I’ve said this many times on many topics and is all I intended to say on this topic as well.

    But I would like to explore the text Mara brought up about kindred spirits and groups of 3 or more becoming a mechanism of organization and how such an alignment of wills can be directed or managed at the group level for effectiveness.  And what if the individuals so mutually aligned are sincere and aligned with Father’s will – what might get accomplished.  Could a movement with a greater and clearer perception of fact, truth, beauty, and goodness by association with epochal revelation have a better outcome than Christianity came to?  Or are mortals left on their own doomed by our very natures?  Interesting to consider.  Thanks all.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  4. What are the advantages of engaging with others despite the great disparity between so many beliefs and practices, despite the one shared text?

    1.  It gets you out of the house.

    2.  When you meet with others, you share yourself with them; they share back with you.

    3.  Relationships are ends in themselves.  Period.

    4.  Inherent in relationships is mental and spiritual stimulation.

    5.  Questions about the material are raised and you and/or others  get to share answers – sort of like we do here.

    6.  Questions make everyone think.

    7. Refreshments are always tasty.

     

     

  5. We do know that there are hordes of directionally lost people on this planet looking for answers. So education, supplying some of the answers, in contrast to the bafflegab coming from the wizards of the circles and god’s elite emissaries might be about all you can do. Always do and say what you believe to be true, beautiful and good and let it be. If I were running this “movement” (God forbid) I would put all of my efforts into education, all kinds of education at all levels for all people. It would be hard to do though.

    This is a place for such ideas!!

    Yes Mara….relationships are an end of/in themselves.  And relationships between like minded people who are will aligned in their joint efforts to serve?  There is this from Rick’s OPAD yesterday:

    “…in all group relationships we unfailingly provide for definite leadership. Our kingdom is a realm of order, and where two or more will creatures act in co-operation, there is always provided the authority of leadership….“ (1958.3)181:2.16

    Very interesting concept to me.

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  6. Nigel Nunn wrote:  PS: let me get one thing straight.  Bonita, you lock up your house elves ??

    Wait . . . . you mean you don’t?  I do let the garden fairies roam free though.  But the elves?  Not so much. They’re always moving my stuff around, like my car keys for instance, and my cell phone, and what about those socks!  They’re trouble, I tell ya, nothin’ but trouble.

    “…in all group relationships we unfailingly provide for definite leadership. Our kingdom is a realm of order, and where two or more will creatures act in co-operation, there is always provided the authority of leadership….“ (1958.3)181:2.16

    Where do you think the AUTHORITY of leadership comes from?  Personally, I don’t think celestials send leaders, I think they inspire people to lead.  When the inspiration comes from the Spirit of Truth, it has a certain air of authority which is recognized by those who are also seeking truth.  What I’m trying to say is that it still comes down to centering on the inner life while also providing a social milieu for ripening of fruit.  Authoritative leadership may not necessarily come from elected or self-appointed leaders, but from those who are inspired by the Spirit within.  It is the truth which has authority, not necessarily the leader.

  7. “…in all group relationships we unfailingly provide for definite leadership. Our kingdom is a realm of order, and where two or more will creatures act in co-operation, there is always provided the authority of leadership….“ (1958.3)181:2.16 Very interesting concept to me.

    This reminded me of the snippet about the constituents of a social problem – three or more persons grouped for service.  In my experience when differences of opinion crop up a simple majority usually fixes the problem.  You have to learn to lose gracefully, or, do a better job arguing your case.

    39:3:6 [#2]
    These angels continue their ministry on the mansion and higher morontia worlds. They are concerned with any undertaking having to do with progress on the morontia worlds and which concerns three or more persons. Two beings are regarded as operating on the mating, complemental, or partnership basis, but when three or more are grouped for service, they constitute a social problem and therefore fall within the jurisdiction of the social architects. These efficient seraphim are organized in seventy divisions on Edentia, and these divisions minister on the seventy morontia progress worlds encircling the headquarters sphere.

     

    We haven’t about “unity”.  I think it is important (at least to me :-) ) to draw attention to the word that qualifies “unity” in this discussion.  Aren’t we talking about “spiritual unity”?  I think so.

    103:1:1 [#3]
    The unity of religious experience among a social or racial group derives from the identical nature of the God fragment indwelling the individual. It is this divine in man that gives origin to his unselfish interest in the welfare of other men. But since personality is unique — no two mortals being alike — it inevitably follows that no two human beings can similarly interpret the leadings and urges of the spirit of divinity which lives within their minds. A group of mortals can experience spiritual unity, but they can never attain philosophic uniformity. And this diversity of the interpretation of religious thought and experience is shown by the fact that twentieth-century theologians and philosophers have formulated upward of five hundred different definitions of religion. In reality, every human being defines religion in the terms of his own experiential interpretation of the divine impulses emanating from the God spirit that indwells him, and therefore must such an interpretation be unique and wholly different from the religious philosophy of all other human beings.

     

     

     

  8. Authoritative leadership may not necessarily come from elected or self-appointed leaders, but from those who are inspired by the Spirit within. It is the truth which has authority, not necessarily the leader.

     

    Yes indeed!!  There are leaders and then there is leadership.  The persons and the qualities or source of those qualities/values is not the same thing at all.  But it does sound as if this authority of leadership is one expression of how the celestial and Divinity itself utilizes mortal minds and acts on behalf of grander outcomes.  The alignment of will and groupings of will are “useful” in the process of progression….both personal and societal I think.  And this is not due to any cognition or intellectual cooperation, but a cooperative spirit led effort of the mortal.  So it does sound to me as if mortal efforts can be “blessed” with this leadership quality that is not of their own making?  Will alignment is key and so is the sincerity of the mortal….but what a faith son/daughter whose will is aligned might do is rather a fascinating potential.  And what of a group of such ones?  Even more potential, no?  Errors are not thereby eliminated…there’s still mortal mind involved after all.  But even those errors by righteous intent and effort yield up fruit….even lemons are fruit!

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  9. 39:3:6 [#2] These angels continue their ministry on the mansion and higher morontia worlds. They are concerned with any undertaking having to do with progress on the morontia worlds and which concerns three or more persons. Two beings are regarded as operating on the mating, complemental, or partnership basis, but when three or more are grouped for service, they constitute a social problem and therefore fall within the jurisdiction of the social architects. These efficient seraphim are organized in seventy divisions on Edentia, and these divisions minister on the seventy morontia progress worlds encircling the headquarters sphere.

     

    Me:  I can really relate to that….a “social problem” indeed!!  The “movement” is a social problem.  Very interesting.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  10. Bradly wrote:The “movement” is a social problem. Very interesting.

    I didn’t mean to imply that about the movement.  But some people will go to their grave with their underware in a twist over their grievances of the past and the way it all went down.  Perhaps they have failed to adapt.  I’ve adapted.  If I can, others can too and maybe they have.  Who knows?  Have to go forward from where we are.

    The meaning of life is its adaptability; the value of life is its progressability — even to the heights of God-consciousness.  130:4:7

     

  11. Bradly wrote:The “movement” is a social problem. Very interesting.

    I didn’t mean to imply that about the movement. But some people will go to their grave with their underware in a twist over their grievances of the past and the way it all went down. Perhaps they have failed to adapt. I’ve adapted. If I can, others can too and maybe they have. Who knows? Have to go forward from where we are.

    The meaning of life is its adaptability; the value of life is its progressability — even to the heights of God-consciousness. 130:4:7

    Makes me think of the secular progressive. They want progress without religion and ethics. Aint gonna happen. However whenever the topic comes up the idea that ethics and morals are associated with religion will make the SP cringe into a defensive mode and this is likely related to the idea of  going to church, a traditional thing. If only the idea of morals and ethics that arise from their personal experience with the indwelling God could be made clear I think that real progress could happen. Until then the SP will hope for only political change without direction, change for the sake of change. I really see this energy as a fundamental spiritual influence at work but not recognized.

    There are many people out there that only need this simple and very logical personal approach to religion, ethics and morals in order to begin making real progress. It seems so simple to me but how to make that happen is likely more influenced by what has been said about how we as individuals live our lives.

     

  12. Bradly wrote:The “movement” is a social problem. Very interesting. Mara: “I didn’t mean to imply that about the movement.”

     

    It’s not your implication, it’s a statement of a relationship condition by text quote!!  I’m a little twisted in some ways and I just cracked up when I read that quote, as I do with so many others too….I think the humor in the UB is a deep current running throughout.

    Now, a problem is, to me, a formula or equation of many variables with a solution…if one can work the equation.  Since each person is so unique and the group dynamic so dependent upon this uniqueness….I certainly think any group of 3 or more is indeed a social problem of great potential….and the more individuals within any group, the more potential.  But in the problem of group dynamics, every addition or subtraction of any one personality completely changes that potential…and the equation variable set and the relationship of that set of variables….fluid dynamics of individuals in group association deliver a constant state of change or flux – it’s never really stable or predictable.

    Learning how to build consensus, rather than majority rule decision making, is critical to a functional and directional group dynamic that seeks harmony and unity as a shared ideal.  There should be no minority left, ideally, after consensus building….an art form really….a social art form that can help solve every social “problem” of association.  All voices are heard and considered, votes are often tabled for further reflection, compromises reached, egos self constrained, and a dedication to process and outcome is shared…..and decisions are reached with the support of the entire team/community…..not full agreement but with consensus and best efforts to achieve common goals, and succeed with group-selected strategies, tactics, and timing.

    But that’s a group.  What about an entire community or groups of groups?  The bigger the number, the greater the “social problem”.  It seems humanity has much yet to learn in such a challenge.  It is far easier for any size group to agree on the desired outcome than on the best strategies and tactics to achieve that outcome.

    Really enjoying the conversation.  Thanks to all.  :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  13. Some useful terms and definitions within any “movement”:

     

    Collaboration

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Collaboration is working with others to do a task and to achieve shared goals.[1] It is a recursive[2] process where two or more or organizations work together to realize shared goals, (this is more than the intersection of common goals seen in co-operative ventures, but a deep, collective determination to reach an identical objective[by whom?][original research?]) — for example, an endeavor[3][4] that is creative in nature[5]—by sharing knowledge, learning and building consensus. Most collaboration requires leadership, although the form of leadership can be social within a decentralized and egalitarian group.[6] In particular, teams that work collaboratively can obtain greater resources, recognition and reward when facing competition for finite resources.[7] Collaboration is also present in opposing goals exhibiting the notion of adversarial collaboration, though this is not a common case for using the word.

    Structured methods of collaboration encourage introspection of behavior and communication.[6] These methods specifically aim to increase the success of teams as they engage in collaborative problem solving. Forms, rubrics, charts and graphs are useful in these situations to objectively document personal traits with the goal of improving performance in current and future projects.

    Consensus decision-making

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Consensus decision-making is a group decision-making process that seeks the consent of all participants. Consensus may be defined professionally as an acceptable resolution, one that can be supported, even if not the “favourite” of each individual. Consensus is defined by Merriam-Webster as, first, general agreement, and second, group solidarity of belief or sentiment. It has its origin in the Latin word cōnsēnsus (agreement), which is from cōnsentiō meaning literally feel together.[1] It is used to describe both the decision and the process of reaching a decision. Consensus decision-making is thus concerned with the process of deliberating and finalizing a decision, and the social and political effects of using this process.

    Alternative to common decision-making practices:

    Consensus decision-making is an alternative to commonly practised adversarial decision-making processes.[5] Robert’s Rules of Order, for instance, is a process used by many organizations. The goal of Robert’s Rules is to structure the debate and passage of proposals that win approval through majority vote. This process does not emphasize the goal of full agreement. Critics of Robert’s Rules believe that the process can involve adversarial debate and the formation of competing factions. These dynamics may harm group member relationships and undermine the ability of a group to cooperatively implement a contentious decision.

    Consensus decision-making attempts to address the problems of both Robert’s Rules of Order and top-down models. Proponents claim that outcomes of the consensus process include:[3][6]
    Better Decisions: Through including the input of all stakeholders the resulting proposals may better address all potential concerns.
    Better Implementation: A process that includes and respects all parties, and generates as much agreement as possible sets the stage for greater cooperation in implementing the resulting decisions.
    Better Group Relationships: A cooperative, collaborative group atmosphere can foster greater group cohesion and interpersonal connection.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  14. Our unseen friends, celestial helpers or whatever you want to call them do try to bring people together to accomplish a particular project.

    39:3:5 Social architects do everything within their province and power to bring together suitable individuals that they may constitute efficient and agreeable working groups on earth; and sometimes such groups have found themselves reassociated on the mansion worlds for continued fruitful service. But not always do these seraphim attain their ends; not always are they able to bring together those who would form the most ideal group to achieve a given purpose or to accomplish a certain task; under these conditions they must utilize the best of the material available.

     

    Me:  So then, it would seem to me that the “movement” based on an Epochal Revelation would be on the radar and in the game plan for our unseen friends.  My guess is we mortals muck up their best efforts due to our immaturities and egoistic natures as material minded and attached tadpoles.  But our failures do not define nor preclude the work of celestials either.  I think the leadership authority discussed earlier is one of those divine inputs to help counterbalance mortal frailties.  It sounds above like the social architects are busy with group dynamics….bringing together effective collaborators….team building.  Peace.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  15. Spiritual unity and diversity of belief are not mutually exclusive.  Spiritual unity demands unity of spirit feelings.  These spirit feelings too deep for words are shared with both those who are involved in religions of authority, as well as those like me who haven’t joined one.

    155:6:9 [#4]

    The religions of authority can only divide men and set them in conscientious array against each other; the religion of the spirit will progressively draw men together and cause them to become understandingly sympathetic with one another. The religions of authority require of men uniformity in belief, but this is impossible of realization in the present state of the world. The religion of the spirit requires only unity of experience — uniformity of destiny — making full allowance for diversity of belief. The religion of the spirit requires only uniformity of insight, not uniformity of viewpoint and outlook. The religion of the spirit does not demand uniformity of intellectual views, only unity of spirit feeling. The religions of authority crystallize into lifeless creeds; the religion of the spirit grows into the increasing joy and liberty of ennobling deeds of loving service and merciful ministration.
      It is hard for me to isolate the “Urantia movement” from a view I have from the larger global perspective.  Many, many people working within religions of authority are fruitful in loving service and merciful ministry to others.  Such service and ministry are surely the result of spirit feelings too deep for words.

     

  16. It is hard for me to isolate the “Urantia movement” from a view I have from the larger global perspective.  Many, many people working within religions of authority are fruitful in loving service and merciful ministry to others.  Such service and ministry are surely the result of spirit feelings too deep for words.

    That is true, but religions of authority are fearful of the Urantia Book.  Education could ease some of that fear.  But as long as the Urantia Book is associated with channeling spirits, aliens and new world orders, fear by the rank and file religious communities will continue unabated.

    Part of the problem is the manner in which the text was received.  It lends itself to fear and kooks.  I’m sure the early Christians had similar problems.  The whole idea of someone coming back from the dead, walking around talking to people, popping up out of nowhere for weeks, and finally ascending to the heavens, must have scared the bejeebers out of a lot of people.  It also fostered a whole variety of kooks, not unlike the Urantia Book problem.  The “end of the worlders” went viral.  Channelers of Jesus, prophets, sorcerers who raised the dead and magicians who could make donkeys speak were on every corner.  Christianity eventually conquered old fears by absorbing pagan religions and then went on to create their very own brand new terroristic fears.

    Can the Urantia movement absorb current religions?  I don’t think so, and it certainly should not foster new fears either.  That being said, I think one of the biggest problems the movement has today is fear: fear of itself, fear of its own members, fear of error or failure and fear of public opinion.  The book does have its crusaders but they are, for the most part, random and unorganized.  If education is going to be the new crusade, then perhaps it should be a bit more organized, with generalized guidelines and goals, without being dogmatic or creating infallible doctrines.  (Not sure how to go about that though.)  We are told that the Sethite method of education was superb and has never been surpassed (76:3.10).  Even  Melchizedek organized his schools at Salem after the Sethite method (93:3.1).  Not that the movement needs priests, but it does need dynamic educators who are also knowledgable and respectful of other religions.  

  17. Can the Urantia movement absorb current religions?

    Personally, I do not think readers are trying to absorb current religions.  I do think some are trying to lift them up by being involved there.  And of course some people,  even UB readers, benefit from belonging to a worshipful group of religionists.  I wouldn’t hold my breath while waiting for religions to get upgraded or to update themselves.

    Fear is an enslaver.  Why worry about someone’s fear of the UB?  That is their problem, not mine.

    142:0:2 [#4]
    The first day in Jerusalem Jesus called upon his friend of former years, Annas, the onetime high priest and relative of Salome, Zebedee’s wife. Annas had been hearing about Jesus and his teachings, and when Jesus called at the high priest’s home, he was received with much reserve. When Jesus perceived Annas’s coldness, he took immediate leave, saying as he departed: “Fear is man’s chief enslaver and pride his great weakness; will you betray yourself into bondage to both of these destroyers of joy and liberty?” But Annas made no reply. The Master did not again see Annas until the time when he sat with his son-in-law in judgment on the Son of Man.

     

  18. Can the Urantia movement absorb current religions?

     

    My opinion is that, eventually and given sufficient generations, that the Urantia movement can indeed absorb almost every variety of religionist….but not any institutional creed/doctrine.  The Urantia movement, in total, will never be, simply can never become a singular religious institution.  Not saying it hasn’t and won’t continue to spawn some multiples of group religious forms and congregations….it will likely do so.

    But the text itself, if actually read and believed, makes no provision for any authoritarian social religion by the teachings within the UB.  However, we are several centuries into the devolution or dissolution of such a central authority for creed and dogma in the Christian “movement”.  And this, I believe, is an orchestrated reality designed specifically for and in preparation of the gift of the fifth epochal revelation we hold today.  This is the moment, the very precise moment at the disenfranchisement of many religionists and upon the cusp of the digital world still to come, that I think this gift was made purposefully.  I have always rejected the notion that this is some form of “emergency” intervention.  It is, rather, an evolutionary response to conditions “on the ground”, very fertile soil, for this seed of truth to take root and flourish, at this historic moment when religion is being viewed, more and more, by religionists as a personal experience and expression.

    There is no strategic or tactical need for or benefit from absorbing other religions.  No religion  is true religion except as it encourages and feeds the individual experience of faith, truth, beauty, and goodness.  It seems obvious to me that much of the world, especially the Christian world right now (but the Muslims awaken to this reality to some degree….perhaps and especially because of the rise of basic human rights and women’s place as equal in the eyes of God), is being taught by the Spirit of Truth that the only real religion is within, by each and between each and our God, and thereby an expanding notion of “neighbor” and “citizen” is expanding now like never before in our history.

    I think the movement need only remain true to the teachings, individually and by associative groups, and remain available to an ever growing audience of these believers who hear the teachings of the 4th restated to them individually and also, then, come to the 5th.  And to remain available as a source of text and a source of educational opportunities of that text discovered by individuals over the centuries to come.  Every prior epochal revelation was educationally grounded and centered.  Even the Jesusonian gospel is so simple….God as parent, us as children related by source and destiny.  The gospel of the 5th is no more complex, although the facts presented include those higher teachings reserved for special students by the prior 4 epochals.  All we have is a primer text book on the organization of the heavens….and the Jesusonian gospel re-presented with more details related to the spirit circuitry within us each and all in the family of creation.

    There is no “do this” or “go there” or “say that” of any importance in the UB for doctrines and creeds and ceremonies and priests to hold to or raise up as “proof” of worthiness and salvation.  By the fruits you will know and only by the fruits can any know.  Fear will only subside as knowledge is gained and familiarity with the actual teachings in the text are known.  Afraid of what?  God within?  Religious leaders live in fear and rule by fear and it is that reality that leads their flocks to other pastures and folds that offer nothing to fear….except fear itself.

    May the movement find a way to remain free from fear and to welcome all who will….to come.  In their own way and in their own time.  History is obviously trending to the reality of personal religious experience and expression.  What might that change, which pre-dates the UB by centuries, bring to bear upon planetary progress, especially with this new salt, leaven, and mustard seed that is the Urantia Book??  Exciting to contemplate the possibilities.  May we exercise restraint and patience and allow the celestials to do what they do as they do it in the time frame they will do it…..advancing the world through the mortal epochs to come.  Peace.  Thanks to all.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  19.  

    If education is going to be the new crusade, then perhaps it should be a bit more organized, with generalized guidelines and goals, without being dogmatic or creating infallible doctrines. (Not sure how to go about that though.) We are told that the Sethite method of education was superb and has never been surpassed (76:3.10).

    Me here:  I agree wholeheartedly!!  And it surprises me that there has not been a more formalized educational and testing format established to measure the depth and width of the student’s knowledge of the Book’s contents.  A simple thing really.  Now, there are educational curriculums evolving to be sure.  The Urantia Book Internet School (UBIS – http://ubis.urantia.org/moodle/ ) offers a fine selection of courses for every level of student and others are offering other classes and coursework – but there is no central organization to vet or endorse or monitor these various offerings.  UBIS does have an educational and curriculum committee of some notable scholars though and also provides teacher recruiting and training sessions (I’ve personally completed 3 of the UBIS classes and personally endorse that experience – 20 students per course, several courses per semester, with students from over 30 countries participating).

    I remember my bible studies course work completed as a child – very academic and not denomination specific – just a working knowledge and memory test of everything from characters and timelines to quotes – once could quote over 1,000 scriptures – and I also belonged to competitive teams which could answer any biblical content question asked….for points and prizes!!  This educational approach was directly responsible for my grounding in religious scripture and my discovery of the Jesusonian gospel hiding in plain view within the Bible and also the discovery of so many conflagrations of content self contradiction.  I became a truth seeker and critical thinker and a religionist by this educational foundation.

    Without getting into beliefs and practices, could not the UB community establish such a system of knowledge discovery and testing??  It doesn’t need to be doctrinal….just a systematic presentation of text content for various levels of student experience in text and some effective measurement of knowledge retained with an ultimate goal of actual scholarship in the text…..not a holy status…..just a measurable knowledge base.  We can never objectively determine or measure the fruits of the spirit – or an individual’s actual spirit progress or standing, but surely we can measure a knowledge base.  And we could use traditional progressions of such knowledge acquirement:  elementary, secondary, bachelors, masters, doctorate with some sort of degrees presented and perhaps some “test-out” of the elementary and secondary to prove knowledge already acquired.  I would (if I were king) also require every student at every level to teach in the level before, creating a continuous chain of knowledge transfer and turning all students into teachers.

    Bonita….I think yours a brilliant and noble aspiration!  Thanks for sharing such a vision….such a practical vision for the Movement’s progress into the future.

    :good:

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  20. I get weirded out imagining schools that confer upon students certificates or degrees of some sort in UB-ology.  I do not envision it.  Too formal for my taste.

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