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The UB on Genuine and Personal Religious Experience

24 posts · 5 participants · started Apr 8, 2016, 5:30 AM

  1. I am just reading that the psychic circles are probably not relevant to my discussion above — strike that reference.

    110:6.19 (1211.4) There is only an indirect relation between cosmic-circle attainment and actual spiritual religious experience; such attainments are reciprocal and therefore mutually beneficial. Purely spiritual development may have little to do with planetary material prosperity, but circle attainment always augments the potential of human success and mortal achievement.

    The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)

  2. Angela wrote: What does it mean to experience the “realization of the cosmic reality” as it applies to being “conscious of the meaning of meanings” and being “self-conscious of insight”? The mind explodes!

    Yeah, exactly!  I hear yah.  Here’s the way I understand it, for what it’s worth:  Experience is something more than thinking, even though an experience can occur in the mind.  Experiencing cosmic reality rocks the whole self, all parts recognize and react to the gravity of it.  It has to involve the personality especially.  The experience of realizing cosmic reality is a form of religious experience and it changes things.  It reorients the attitude toward a new view of reality, and because it’s true and real, is able to be lived and acted out.  The acting out part has to do with fruits of the spirit.  Is this making any sense, or am I making it murkier?

    The meanings of meanings is spiritual insight and spiritual insight is God-consciousness.  One can be God-conscious, aware that God exists intellectually, with the mind, but the experience of God-consciousness is spiritual insight into the soul where the experience takes place.  The soul is where the presence of God is, as well as the personality presence of the Holy Spirit and Spirit of Truth.  Religious experience is basically a personality-to-personality phenomenon at its heart.  You bang up against spiritual reality, recognize it and wholly adopt it as part of your personality and bingo! You’ve been invaded by divinity and have become more real. (Alright, so maybe you don’t actually bang into it, but you definitely wake up to it, relate to it and identify your personality with it (which isn’t an “it” at all).  Also, you have to be looking for it in the first place in order to “see” it  . . .  reality that is . . .  which is not an “it,” but God.)

    p2095:4 196:3.17 Every time man makes a reflective moral choice, he immediately experiences a new divine invasion of his soul. Moral choosing constitutes religion as the motive of inner response to outer conditions. But such a real religion is not a purely subjective experience. It signifies the whole of the subjectivity of the individual engaged in a meaningful and intelligent response to total objectivity—the universe and its Maker.

    Angela wrote: Indulge me, I’m philosophising — but isn’t our own conscious religious experience an ever-expanding awareness of connection upon connection and layer of meaning upon layer of meaning, as we progress through the seven circles.

    The psychic, or cosmic circles, are more than awareness of connections, it’s about attuning to reality and deciding to identify with it, which occurs when you decide to act upon it.  You can be aware intellectually and not choose to act on it, or not choose to discover higher values/ideals.  The psychic circles require decision-action, and lots of it.  The reason why they use the word “indirectly” in quote 110:6.19 is because you can have a spiritual experience at any circle level and have it change your orientation to reality, but progress in the circles requires repeated decision making, which is not entirely dependent upon spiritual religious experience.

    Angela wrote: Worship and reflection is met with revelation, right? As we meditate on cosmic meaning we become ever more mindful of our relationship to cosmic reality. As we cultivate sensitivity to divine values we overcome barriers to understanding cosmic values.

    Well, I guess it depends on what you’re worshipping and reflecting on.  If you’re worshipping and reflecting on your feelings, then maybe not. I don’t think you can ever become conscious of true worship though, possibly only the desire for it.  Reflection, on the other hand, is definitely useful if it’s directed properly, as you say, on reality.  I could reflect on myself and my feelings if my entire cosmic reality is wrapped up in myself and my navel . . . just sayin’.  True reflection would be exercising one’s powers of discrimination on all three levels of cosmic reality: causation, duty and spiritual, then discovering, recognizing, interpreting and choosing higher and higher meanings and values, right?

    Are you’re talking about auto-revelation?  I don’t think we are always conscious of auto-revelation since it is Adjuster derived.  But we definitely can attune our inner sight in such a way that is directed toward discovering it.  Prayer, or prayerful reflection and meditation work nicely for that.  Prayer has to be person-to-person though, even though you have to accept on faith alone that the other divine person is there listening and responding, albeit on a different level than you’re conscious of.  Whole hearted desire alone is enough to make changes on superconscious levels, which will bear fruit in their own time.

    143:7.4 Prayer is designed to make man less thinking but more realizing; it is not designed to increase knowledge but rather to expand insight.

    p1216:6 111:1.5 And it is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in eternity.

     

  3. Bonita wrote:

    Experiencing cosmic reality rocks the whole self, all parts recognize and react to the gravity of it.

    Really thrilled to be understood in this. I would like to add something else. We are told that we are only given to understand what we are able to comprehend as the moment arises. The progress that we achieve on this inward journey — that unfathomable experiencing of the “realization of the cosmic reality” — is always enlarging our capacity for understanding and for experiencing. We start to become aware of what real happiness is, we love openly (and as an expression of God’s love), our faith multiplies (that surety of knowing). These are all conscious experiences of God-consciousness. They have tangible effects and will contribute to our experience of “realization of the cosmic reality”.

    I would rather not resort to examples because they always fall short of what I am intending to convey. The scope of the idea becomes limited to the example. But here goes.

    All of us are in constant communication with our thought adjusters, we are just not hearing them in our conscious mind – yet. (Although there are some who have reached the first circle and are engaged in this conscious conversation already.) Our struggle to understand the TUB will augment this connection. In a way we are tuning in, so we more frequently make a free-will choice to act on our Adjuster’s direction, perhaps even without realising that this is what we are doing.

    Think of the growth of our experience of the “realization of cosmic reality” when we do reach the first circle. The cosmic reality is populated by personalities that we cannot yet conceive. How many inhabited planets are there? Consider that their experience of reality is vastly diverse to ours. There is an extra dimension to meaning in that experience of realisation. Our soul will be exposed to mind-expanding reality — an ever-expanding awareness of connection upon connection and layer of meaning upon layer of meaning that lies before us as we progress on our inward journey. Although we are not yet ‘in’ the experience, we are aware of this future. It is a certainty. The awareness of it is itself a conscious exercise in mind-expansion. At the moment it is both material and spiritual.

    The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)

  4. I can accept your example, Angela, with a few exceptions.  You said:

    Angela wrote: All of us are in constant communication with our thought adjusters, we are just not hearing them in our conscious mind – yet. (Although there are some who have reached the first circle and are engaged in this conscious conversation already.)

    I agree that the Adjuster is in constant communication with our souls, but our conscious minds are not always in constant communication with our souls.  Those who pray without ceasing and practice the continual presence of God are perhaps in constant communication, if not at least striving for it.  We may not be entirely conscious of this communication, but we can be conscious of striving for it.

    It’s my understanding that high circlers have also reached a high level of soul consciousness . . . have been able to reach the borderland of the soul, the area in which the Adjuster has the ability to down grasp from the superconscious.  It is in the soul where Adjuster contact is made, not in the conscious material mind.  And that’s why translation of a soul-level experience to the material consciousness is really not entirely possible. One may be conscious of contact, and may have reached a workable understanding (Spirit of Truth action), but that’s about it.  When someone tells me that their Adjuster said this or that, I know they’re full of bunk because true Adjuster communication is generally not translatable.  Also, once a high circling person attains a certain level of soul consciousness, (which is low-level morontia consciousness) there are other mind ministries provided which overlap and assist.  The soul develops a function which assists the material mind in discovering new meanings for divine values.  And incidentally, soul-consciousness is not the material mind being conscious of the soul, it’s the soul becoming conscious of the existence of the material mind, which is its incentive to foster growth of that mind function.  The soul grows in and of itself, it is minded.

    p1219:3 111:3.4 Both the human mind and the divine Adjuster are conscious of the presence and differential nature of the evolving soul—the Adjuster fully, the mind partially. The soul becomes increasingly conscious of both the mind and the Adjuster as associated identities, proportional to its own evolutionary growth. The soul partakes of the qualities of both the human mind and the divine spirit but persistently evolves toward augmentation of spirit control and divine dominance through the fostering of a mind function whose meanings seek to co-ordinate with true spirit value. 

    5:2.6 The entire experience of Adjuster communion is one involving moral status, mental motivation, and spiritual experience. The self-realization of such an achievement is mainly, though not exclusively, limited to the realms of soul consciousness, but the proofs are forthcoming and abundant in the manifestation of the fruits of the spirit in the lives of all such inner-spirit contactors.

    110:6.16   Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels — actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being. And it is this very relationship that makes it forever impossible fully to explain the significance of the cosmic circles to the material mind.

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