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THE EXPANDING UNIVERSE

26 posts · 6 participants · started Nov 14, 2025, 1:07 PM

rhermenParticipant
Feb 26, 2026, 8:05 PM
Perhaps my skill in finding quotes from TUB is improving somewhat because it does have much to say about mathematics. Here’s one:

Ultimate universe reality cannot be grasped by mathematics, logic, or philosophy, only by personal experience in progressive conformity to the divine will of a personal God. Neither science, philosophy, nor theology can validate the personality of God. Only the personal experience of the faith sons of the heavenly Father can effect the actual spiritual realization of the personality of God. 1:7.5 [Part I]

Here’s another one:

Mathematics, material science, is indispensable to the intelligent discussion of the material aspects of the universe, but such knowledge is not necessarily a part of the higher realization of truth or of the personal appreciation of spiritual realities. Not only in the realms of life but even in the world of physical energy, the sum of two or more things is very often something more than, or something different from, the predictable additive consequences of such unions. The entire science of mathematics, the whole domain of philosophy, the highest physics or chemistry, could not predict or know that the union of two gaseous hydrogen atoms with one gaseous oxygen atom would result in a new and qualitatively super additive substance — liquid water. The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomenon should have prevented the development of materialistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology. 12:9.3 [Part I]

Can you derive a mathematical equation to describe the Living Faith necessary to realize The New Potentials of Nebadon? Now that I would be most interested in discussing with you.

Randy

Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.
EdgarParticipant
Feb 26, 2026, 8:17 PM
Randy

You wrote:

“The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomenon should have prevented the development of materialistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology. !¡”

In fact my point of view when I introduced the Basic Systemic Unit is very far from being a materialistc physolophy
rhermenParticipant
Feb 26, 2026, 10:01 PM
Ok Edgar, you have your way of thinking and I have mine. Perhaps we should leave it at that. Fair enough?

Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.
BradlyParticipant
Mar 6, 2026, 5:20 AM

Edgar wrote:

Yes, but actual science needs a real paradigm shift abandoning once for all its actual paradigm of Black holes and Big Bang, something quite difficult to achieve!!! It really has to abandon the metaphysical paradigm now prevailing!

Indeed so! The way forward into greater understanding and past the inertia of theoretical constructs and prejudice is the scientific method. Science has delivered humanity from primitive superstitions to more modern versions, but the progressive trajectory can not be denied.

And should be celebrated! The scientific method acts best to disprove or evolve theoretical cosmologies by discovering new factors and realities that do not confirm or conform to prior beliefs and theories, requiring progressive fluidity and adaptability.

Just as you have shared here Edgar.

I am certain that the paradigm shift is coming. Inevitably so. The same evolutionary destiny is or has been or will be achieved on all 7 trillion worlds in the Super Universes of time.

There will be setbacks, delays, detours, regression, prejudice, and inertia but the scientific method will prevail and deliver its full potential eventually and inevitably.

Already today, billions of people philosophically embrace evolutionary creationism. While science and religion (or rather, their institutional leaders) refuse to acknowledge the obvious.

It is not one or the other that resolves this false paradox but, rather, a unifying philosophy based on a more truthful and rational universe reality perspective.

Be of good cheer. And thank you for the topic. I look forward to hearing more!

88:4.5 (970.10)The objects of science are identical with those of magic. Mankind is progressing from magic to science, not by meditation and reason, but rather through long experience, gradually and painfully. Man is gradually backing into the truth, beginning in error, progressing in error, and finally attaining the threshold of truth. Only with the arrival of the scientific method has he faced forward. But primitive man had to experiment or perish.

88:4.6 (970.11)The fascination of early superstition was the mother of the later scientific curiosity. There was progressive dynamic emotion—fear plus curiosity—in these primitive superstitions; there was progressive driving power in the olden magic. These superstitions represented the emergence of the human desire to know and to control planetary environment.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BradlyParticipant
Mar 6, 2026, 4:47 PM

rhermen wrote:

Well Edgar, clearly you have put a lot of thought into this, but what does it have to do with the expanding universe, the social crisis we face, the social unity we may derive by facing the crisis, or the uninspired scientific teachings of The Urantia Book?

This topic about the “expanding universe” and entrenched human science, which is slowly evolving its reality perspective by the scientific method which conforms to or aligns more with “respiration” is fantastic. Progressive science which will eventually destroy the big bang fallacy and many others related to that falsehood.

I am no scientist or engineer but find such presentations encouraging regarding humanity’s progressive evolution of our reality perspective realignment which confirms the perspectives presented in the Papers.

Thank you.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
BradlyParticipant
Mar 6, 2026, 5:33 PM

Edgar wrote:

Randy, Mark, Nigel et al, Certainly, the concept of personality is what makes us unique and unrepeatable, what differentiates us from everyone else, what in a certain sense creates a distance from others, what makes the concept of UNITY very difficult…only the concept of respect for others allows us to get closer to the OTHER. But at the same time, this concept makes it quite difficult to imitate the personality of the Creator Father Michael of Nebadon, who was a Perfect Man since he was able to communicate directly with the Personal Presence of the Universal Father, with his Thought Adjuster, which made it possible for him to enter that stage of evolution called Light and Life. But He was not only a perfect Man, but also God at the same time, and this fact is what makes it so difficult for us flesh-and-blood beings to imitate Him. What remains for us is to be like children who do not take everything to heart, so they easily forget offenses and forgive easily. In my personal life, I mean, in my marriage, it is this fact that has made it possible for us to “put up with” each other for 54 years together, even though we are totally different. This has allowed us to endure all the great trials (five in total so far), the most recent one being one that seems to have been overcome this week with an operation she had on her spine. In 1992, she had colon cancer, which in a sense opened my mind to seeking alternatives, a search that finally led me in 1994 to The Urantia Book. But there is one point worth noting, which is that she is still a practicing Catholic, which has made it very difficult to share my experience with The Urantia Book with her. Only respect for personal beliefs has made it possible for us to live together in harmony. I have dared to share this personal experience because I truly believe that, as I have said before, we urgently need help from “above” to overcome the Great Crisis that we are experiencing as humanity, at all levels. This has been the main motivation in the search for a concept of Unity that actually began in 1968, in my second year of electrical engineering, when I learned about the most beautiful equation in mathematics, which was discovered by a sincere believer, Leonard Euler, the most prolific mathematician of all time, who, even though he was blind, and it is said that this is how he contributed to the advancement of science. Edgar

Me here: Thanks for sharing Edgar.

Couple of things come to mind. I think Jesus did become a perfected man, but he was not born such. His humanity and spiritization are clearly presented in the UB as a progressive faith experience by his personal response to the Deity Connections and Gravity Circuits all mortals/tadpoles share in common. His victory will also be our own upon fusion to come. Jesus was unaware of his Divine origins for half his life or more and became enlightened by great conflict, confusion, struggle, turmoil, uncertainty, disappointment, and very human experience.

A most thrilling and inspiring truth for all mortals and celestials throughout the universes of time!

Next, I think mortal spiritization by faith assurance is shared by all mortals everywhere (and every when too), regardless of our perspective or knowledge or beliefs or even the lack of those or even the error or falsehoods of those.

I think the UB teaches that our response to the Deity Connections within always deliver the fruits of the Spirit and salvation and spiritual progress. All kindness, generosity, patience, forgiveness, mercy, and love are and can only be personal expressions of our faith and fruit by our direct and personal connections to Deity.

That’s why all religionists may celebrate our common source and destiny! Regardless of any and all differences.

Anyway….I appreciate the reflections your post bring to mind.

"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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