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The 100 Personal Aides of the Prince’s Staff
37 posts · 8 participants · started Jun 17, 2020, 2:40 PM
“Post Truth” and “Post Humanism” are both weak inventions and false humanisms or godless perspectives which deny the realities presented in the UB.
Neither explains any true aspect of human evolutionary progress and our collective experiential trajectory or destiny…according to the UB.
The evolutionary religious experience and epochal progress are real. You keep claiming the the rebellion and default somehow stopped evolutionary progress and crippled our planetary leadership and our personal connections to Divinity and the Spirit within and the Deity Gravity Circuits for Personality, Mind, and Spirit.
Poppycock and horsefeathers. Complete distortions of both the terms posted which you misrepresent and misdefine AND a complete contradiction of the UB to boot.
Most unfortunate.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
“Post Truth” and “Post Humanism” are both weak inventions and false humanisms or godless perspectives which deny the realities presented in the UB. Neither explains any true aspect of human evolutionary progress and our collective experiential trajectory or destiny…according to the UB. The evolutionary religious experience and epochal progress are real. You keep claiming the the rebellion and default somehow stopped evolutionary progress and crippled our planetary leadership and our personal connections to Divinity and the Spirit within and the Deity Gravity Circuits for Personality, Mind, and Spirit. Poppycock and horsefeathers. Complete distortions of both the terms posted which you misrepresent and misdefine AND a complete contradiction of the UB to boot. Most unfortunate.
Let me tell you what is “most unfortunate”.
It was “most unfortunate” that, according to your description above – “weak inventions and false humanisms or godless perspectives” – ended up infecting the minds of humans in the 20th century to such a high pitch that it resulted in the potentials of – again your words “….human evolutionary progress and our collective experiential trajectory or destiny….” –
the potentials of the Victorian Era – all that beauty and goodness for LIFE
to be completely shangheid into wars that killed millions.
THAT was “most unfortunate”.
Hey, no one is perfect except for God so TACT and tolerance is all on YOU when Bradly gets uppity when he has to do some real thinking about how to project onto others, he wrote, “…The evolutionary religious experience and epochal progress are real. You keep claiming the the rebellion and default somehow stopped evolutionary progress and crippled our planetary leadership and our personal connections to Divinity and the Spirit within and the Deity Gravity Circuits for Personality, Mind, and Spirit.”
you forgot “Material” – irony noted..
I am not “claiming” anything of the sort. Those are the charges in the Gabriel vs. Lucifer case that the Ancients of Days are presiding over in the cosmic NOW.
They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity. Maybe go “earth centric” and think about Gravity as a TOOL of The Third Source and Center – The Conjoint Actor.
How unfortunate that history keeps repeating itself for 250,000 years because of “politics”.
But the damnation is always personal and in the case of Lucifer it comes from erasing the history of humanity as we actually lived it on the Urantian Nursery of Life for 500,000 years. Censorship. Go figure…
Damnation?
Actually….not Lucifer or his System rebellion or the Prince’s planetary rebellion or the Adamic default or any other act by ANY PARTY EVER stopped the evolutionary Epochal progress of Urantia. Neither did those beings or events interrupt or interfere with the Deity ministries to mortal mind and/or soul. And neither did they or could they cripple our planetary leadership’s ability to effectively shepherd our world toward our planetary destiny.
Indeed…according to the UB, over 1000 times more good than evil has been experienced by the response to Lucifer’s folly and that result just keeps growing. Ultimately there are also personal faith rewards for any personal effects suffered by those souls who grow by faith on such worlds.
Time to quit blaming others for poor choices and see to the eternal potentials which remain intact despite all suffering and sources of suffering.
Nothing has been erased of any value, and never can be.
54:6.4 (619.1) But one thing should be made clear: If you are made to suffer the evil consequences of the sin of some member of your family, some fellow citizen or fellow mortal, even rebellion in the system or elsewhere—no matter what you may have to endure because of the wrongdoing of your associates, fellows, or superiors—you may rest secure in the eternal assurance that such tribulations are transient afflictions. None of these fraternal consequences of misbehavior in the group can ever jeopardize your eternal prospects or in the least degree deprive you of your divine right of Paradise ascension and God attainment.
54:6.5 (619.2) And there is compensation for these trials, delays, and disappointments which invariably accompany the sin of rebellion. Of the many valuable repercussions of the Lucifer rebellion which might be named, I will only call attention to the enhanced careers of those mortal ascenders, the Jerusem citizens, who, by withstanding the sophistries of sin, placed themselves in line for becoming future Mighty Messengers, fellows of my own order. Every being who stood the test of that evil episode thereby immediately advanced his administrative status and enhanced his spiritual worth.
54:6.6 (619.3) At first the Lucifer upheaval appeared to be an unmitigated calamity to the system and to the universe. Gradually benefits began to accrue. With the passing of twenty-five thousand years of system time (twenty thousand years of Urantia time), the Melchizedeks began to teach that the good resulting from Lucifer’s folly had come to equal the evil incurred. The sum of evil had by that time become almost stationary, continuing to increase only on certain isolated worlds, while the beneficial repercussions continued to multiply and extend out through the universe and superuniverse, even to Havona. The Melchizedeks now teach that the good resulting from the Satania rebellion is more than a thousand times the sum of all the evil.
67:8.4 (762.3) If the Lucifer rebellion has handicapped the local system and its fallen worlds, if the loss of this Son and his misled associates has temporarily hampered the progress of the constellation of Norlatiadek, then weigh the effect of the far-flung presentation of the inspiring performance of this one child of nature and his determined band of 143 comrades in standing steadfast for the higher concepts of universe management and administration in the face of such tremendous and adverse pressure exerted by his disloyal superiors. And let me assure you, this has already done more good in the universe of Nebadon and the superuniverse of Orvonton than can ever be outweighed by the sum total of all the evil and sorrow of the Lucifer rebellion.
67:8.5 (762.4) And all this is a beautifully touching and superbly magnificent illumination of the wisdom of the Father’s universal plan for mobilizing the Corps of Mortal Finality on Paradise and for recruiting this vast group of mysterious servants of the future largely from the common clay of the mortals of ascending progression—just such mortals as the impregnable Amadon.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Nameless says: “They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity.”
Really?? Hmmmmm….
The Deity Gravity Circuits are universal “Presence Circuits” of Deity which act wherever personality or mind or spirit or matter are found (singularly or any combination).
12:3.1 (131.4) All forms of force-energy—material, mindal, or spiritual—are alike subject to those grasps, those universal presences, which we call gravity. Personality also is responsive to gravity—to the Father’s exclusive circuit; but though this circuit is exclusive to the Father, he is not excluded from the other circuits; the Universal Father is infinite and acts over all four absolute-gravity circuits in the master universe:
12:3.2 (131.5) 1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
12:3.3 (131.6) 2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
12:3.4 (131.7) 3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
12:3.5 (131.8) 4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise.
12:3.6 (131.9) These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.
Nameless says: “How unfortunate that history keeps repeating itself for 250,000 years because of “politics”.
Me here: To better understand the evolutionary progress of our world and the normal struggles all worlds and peoples must endure, I suggest re-reading Papers 70 and 81.
Evolution is always slow. Both personally and socially, evolution is learning by trial and error.
Experiential wisdom takes time…lots of time. With all people everywhere and on all material worlds. There are no shortcuts. God does not impose perfection but patiently awaits its inevitability by the process of perfecting…the evolutionary experience.
Disappointment, blame, and impatience are merely the signs of immaturity and blindness to the realities presented in the Papers.
81:0.1 (900.1) REGARDLESS of the ups and downs of the miscarriage of the plans for world betterment projected in the missions of Caligastia and Adam, the basic organic evolution of the human species continued to carry the races forward in the scale of human progress and racial development. Evolution can be delayed but it cannot be stopped.
Me here: Despite your declarations to the contrary, the historical record of our world – The Shrine of Nebadon – is not lost. Indeed do we study it here and now. And yet, even with a textbook of history in your hands, do you misstate and misunderstand that history.
Thus the need for students and study groups!!! And the need for Epochal Revelation!! – to restore and correct and clarify the record to improve mortal knowledge, understanding, and perspective of reality.
It is my hope that our misunderstanding of so much might be well served and reduced by us all sharing here the discovery of the actual contents and meaning of this 5th Epochal Revelation gifted to us for that very purpose!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
I guess it is best to keep pointing out where this bully political schtick, clearly done with MALICE FORETHOUGHT,
to twist a communication into a projection – the “weaponization of social media” – comes from. Origin, purpose, destiny.
About Lucifer’s “bad choices” – UB – Paper 53 – “…It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer’s mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain.”
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Here’s the explanation for why twisting communication into projection won’t stop among Luciferians – “….There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop….”
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Bradly won’t stop being Bradly and I won’t stop being me….
So let’s examine what I wrote –
I said – “They are NOT “Deity” gravity circuits. Gravity is gravity. It is nothing other than gravity. Maybe go “earth centric” and think about Gravity as a TOOL of The Third Source and Center – The Conjoint Actor.
How unfortunate that history keeps repeating itself for 250,000 years because of “politics”.”
When in doubt about how “Deity” in the Papers will be defined/used, let’s go to the Foreward:
Foreword
I. Deity and Divinity
0:1.1The universe of universes presents phenomena of deity activities on diverse levels of cosmic realities, mind meanings, and spirit values, but all of these ministrations—personal or otherwise—are divinely co-ordinated.
0:1.2DEITY is personalizable as God, is prepersonal and superpersonal in ways not altogether comprehensible by man. Deity is characterized by the quality of unity—actual or potential—on all supermaterial levels of reality; and this unifying quality is best comprehended by creatures as divinity.
0:1.3Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:
0:1.41. Static—self-contained and self-existent Deity.
0:1.52. Potential—self-willed and self-purposive Deity.
0:1.63. Associative—self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.
0:1.74. Creative—self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.
0:1.85. Evolutional—self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.
0:1.96. Supreme—self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature-identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.
0:1.107. Ultimate—self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity.
0:1.11The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings—they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.
0:1.12The absonite level of reality is characterized by things and beings without beginnings or endings and by the transcendence of time and space. Absoniters are not created; they are eventuated—they simply are. The Deity level of Ultimacy connotes a function in relation to absonite realities. No matter in what part of the master universe, whenever time and space are transcended, such an absonite phenomenon is an act of the Ultimacy of Deity.
0:1.13The absolute level is beginningless, endless, timeless, and spaceless. For example: On Paradise, time and space are nonexistent; the time-space status of Paradise is absolute. This level is Trinity attained, existentially, by the Paradise Deities, but this third level of unifying Deity expression is not fully unified experientially. Whenever, wherever, and however the absolute level of Deity functions, Paradise-absolute values and meanings are manifest.
0:1.14Deity may be existential, as in the Eternal Son; experiential, as in the Supreme Being; associative, as in God the Sevenfold; undivided, as in the Paradise Trinity.
0:1.15Deity is the source of all that which is divine. Deity is characteristically and invariably divine, but all that which is divine is not necessarily Deity, though it will be co-ordinated with Deity and will tend towards some phase of unity with Deity—spiritual, mindal, or personal.
0:1.16DIVINITY is the characteristic, unifying, and co-ordinating quality of Deity.
0:1.17Divinity is creature comprehensible as truth, beauty, and goodness; correlated in personality as love, mercy, and ministry; disclosed on impersonal levels as justice, power, and sovereignty.
0:1.18Divinity may be perfect—complete—as on existential and creator levels of Paradise perfection; it may be imperfect, as on experiential and creature levels of time-space evolution; or it may be relative, neither perfect nor imperfect, as on certain Havona levels of existential-experiential relationships.
0:1.19When we attempt to conceive of perfection in all phases and forms of relativity, we encounter seven conceivable types:
0:1.201. Absolute perfection in all aspects.
0:1.212. Absolute perfection in some phases and relative perfection in all other aspects.
0:1.223. Absolute, relative, and imperfect aspects in varied association.
0:1.234. Absolute perfection in some respects, imperfection in all others.
0:1.245. Absolute perfection in no direction, relative perfection in all manifestations.
0:1.256. Absolute perfection in no phase, relative in some, imperfect in others.
0:1.267. Absolute perfection in no attribute, imperfection in all.”
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Yes, the authors encourage us to think about “gravity” as a “presence” in order to understand the point they are trying to make.
So what about the point the authors are making about gravity presence has Bradly thinking it is “Deity”?
I see gravity presence as a tool of the Third Source and Center. Don’t want to head down that “stupid” road from Paper 3 – “…It is a great blunder to humanize God, except in the concept of the indwelling Thought Adjuster, but even that is not so <mark>stupid</mark> as completely to mechanize the idea of the First Great Source and Center.”
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Most unfortunate that communication is twisted into a projection. The weaponization of social media welcomes tales of snatching female human beings under 2 years old to sexually violate as a way for some insane cult of religionists (crap they made up in their own dark minds) to judge “survival of the fittest” qualities of the female. The “news” is that instead of 5 year olds for the survival of the fittest man judge poke, the new gen is going for under 2 as a way to get it first over the elders….Nihilism, hedonism, anarchy.
No doubt about it, without the internet in the past, only the “most unfortunate” human beings whose lives are enslaved to such “religionists” – mano et mano – face to face – would be as helpless as the 1 year old to man-as-god viciousness and terror until they are not.
Evolution just IS.
Nanoseconds of communication as projection tallied up nicely with math:
More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME
Proportionate responses…?
Vegas re-inventing itself….?
Nameless wrote:
“So what [is it] about the point the authors are making about gravity presence [that] has Bradly thinking it is “Deity”?
Hi Nameless! Since these absolute gravity/presence circuits are each independently “sourced by” and “centered upon” the four absolute Sources and Centers (the three Deities plus Paradise), I understand Bradly simply to be referring to the fact that the three non-material absolute gravities are intimately, independently and fundamentally associated with the three absolute Deities (Universal Father, Eternal Son, Infinite Spirit).
When in doubt about how the Papers relate the four “absolute gravity” circuits to the four “absolute presences” of the three Deities plus Paradise, let’s go to paper 15 section 9:
“The universal circuits of Paradise do actually pervade the realms of the seven superuniverses. These presence circuits are: the personality gravity of the Universal Father, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son, the mind gravity of the Conjoint Actor, and the material gravity of the eternal Isle.” (15:9.1)
When in doubt about how “personality, spirit, mind and matter” in the Papers will be defined/used, let’s go to the Foreword, 6.1:
“Any and all things responding to the personality circuit of the Father, we call personal. Any and all things responding to the spirit circuit of the Son, we call spirit. Any and all that responds to the mind circuit of the Conjoint Actor, we call mind, mind as an attribute of the Infinite Spirit — mind in all its phases. Any and all that responds to the material-gravity circuit centering in nether Paradise, we call matter — energy-matter in all its metamorphic states.” (Foreword, section 6)
When in doubt about how “gravity” in the Papers will be defined/used, let’s go to paper 12 section 3:
“3. Universal Gravity
All forms of force-energy — material, mindal, or spiritual — are alike subject to those grasps, those universal presences, which we call gravity. Personality also is responsive to gravity — to the Father’s exclusive circuit; but though this circuit is exclusive to the Father, he is not excluded from the other circuits; the Universal Father is infinite and acts over all four absolute-gravity circuits in the master universe:
1. The Personality Gravity of the Universal Father.
2. The Spirit Gravity of the Eternal Son.
3. The Mind Gravity of the Conjoint Actor.
4. The Cosmic Gravity of the Isle of Paradise.These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.” (12:3.0)
Regarding the mutual friction that you and Bradly seem to enjoy fostering, this (apparently) is such an inevitable phenomenon that entire universe corps are assigned to help make smooth the way. E.g., from paper 28:5.13, The Union of Souls
“Of all the problems in the universe requiring an exercise of the consummate wisdom of experience and adaptability, none are more important than those arising out of the relationships and associations of intelligent beings. Whether in human associations of commerce and trade, friendship and marriage, or in the liaisons of the angelic hosts, there continue to arise petty frictions, minor misunderstandings too trivial even to engage the attention of conciliators but sufficiently irritating and disturbing to mar the smooth working of the universe if they were allowed to multiply and continue.” (28:5.13)
Hoping to avoid any unwitting projection of weaponized misunderstandings onto potential friends.
PS (a request): since you are rightly concerned about the rape of children, and various internet issues, could you move your alerts and protests about such things to forums that exist for solving such problems?
with thanks!
NigelHi Nigel!
As the saying goes – “the devil is in the details” – from the UB quote you provided, maybe what professional cosmologists are calling “dark matter” is not what they think it is, but in any case it IS what it IS and so far we know that the Universal Gravity Circuits are independent of time and space and are also not related to the “nether Paradise force center”.
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These four circuits are not related to the nether Paradise force center; they are neither force, energy, nor power circuits. They are absolute presence circuits and like God are independent of time and space.” (12:3.0)
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It is a philosophical issue, isn’t it? Who/Why are we? In the Papers we learn that there are only 2 classifications regarding beings, like us humans, Children of God, who are in possession of a bona-fide Personality given by God, and those 2 classifications are God-knowing or NOT God-knowing. Even Jesus commented on that FACT when addressing what you, Nigel posted:
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“Of all the problems in the universe requiring an exercise of the consummate wisdom of experience and adaptability, none are more important than those arising out of the relationships and associations of intelligent beings. Whether in human associations of commerce and trade, friendship and marriage, or in the liaisons of the angelic hosts, there continue to arise petty frictions, minor misunderstandings too trivial even to engage the attention of conciliators but sufficiently irritating and disturbing to mar the smooth working of the universe if they were allowed to multiply and continue.” (28:5.13)
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7. The Living Organism of the Grand Universe
<small>116:7.1 (1276.2)</small> The grand universe is not only a material creation of physical grandeur, spirit sublimity, and intellectual magnitude, it is also a magnificent and responsive living organism. There is actual life pulsating throughout the mechanism of the vast creation of the vibrant cosmos. The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths. This physical universe is permeated by energy lanes which effectively activate material creation, even as the human body is nourished and energized by the circulatory distribution of the assimilable energy products of nourishment. The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism. But if you only knew something about the physique of a power center, we could, by analogy, tell you so much more about the physical universe.
<small>116:7.2 (1276.3)</small> Much as mortals look to solar energy for life maintenance, so does the grand universe depend upon the unfailing energies emanating from nether Paradise to sustain the material activities and cosmic motions of space.
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Thanks for the brotherly observation about lively philosophical discussions, but there seems to be mounting evidence as to how NOT God-knowing people are making up stuff about what is “allowed” to be “communications” between God-knowing beings.
At this point in time, the internet is a real crap product, in general, that can’t keep up with reality. If you use google maps, the human colonies worldwide wiped out just this past month by fire, wind, and floods, plus rioting and war, haven’t been “updated” other than some satellite or drone photographs.
So what is the first “job” out of the gate that centers around a philosophy of living that sees Earth as a Nursery of Life that needs constant maintenance FOR Life – a google mapper, or clean up and builders?
As for the issue of “education” – the raising of human children, which takes more time than the nanoseconds already extracting “time as money” from their parent’s “jobs” that are other than being a parent, I am certain that there are “problems” among “long-time readers” of the UB because when I was enrolled in the Urantia Foundation Forum email program, the first few emails arriving in my aol email account were between forumites who were talking about a group of pedophiles. That was back in 1991.
Can you direct me, Nigel, to ANY “thread” going back to what those readers did about the pedophiles back in 1991? Would appreciate it.
Just like now and then, someone pops onto the remaining UB reader discussion forums to ask in amazement, “….how can a reader of the UB vote for Trump….?!!!”
I could ask the same questions about UB “readers” and their mind permutations about this last straw of cosmic insanity response to a virus….
Every “technology” has been weaponized against Life on this Nursery of Life, at least that is what “they” bragging about doing – creating the post-human wha’ever that a virus is making possible….
Proportionate response to “deconstructing”?
UB – “The physical reality of the universes is symbolic of the perceivable reality of the Almighty Supreme; and this material and living organism is penetrated by intelligence circuits, even as the human body is traversed by a network of neural sensation paths.”
Good start is to make it less “convenient” to turn “communications” into “projections”.
It gets vicious – no other word fits. Luciferians even killed off the fandors rather than let the God-knowing colonies thrive outside their tyrannical “political” grasp of the Nursery of Life. Talk about failing at the “job”…
Hey, at least it is all on one “cloud”, and mercifully, once that data bank is destroyed, there will be no way to put it all back together again. Weaponization GONE. War over. “Internet” gone like the fandors
Good news – Nigel will be Nigel, Bradly will be Bradly, and I will be me.
Off to water the plants and feed the wild and free roaming peacocks in this CITY neighborhood that were abandoned by the original pet owners when their home was foreclosed on back in 2008 – 9. Even the peacocks have stabilized their numbers from the first couple of years of roaming wild when they had broods of 10 or more that were not sustainable. Guess even they figured out the math for the peacock to land ratio….
Paper 195 – consider it a “UB for dummies” Paper.
This is in no way appropriate – do your own homework: Uppity Bradly sez, “Actually nameless, that’s not what the UB says at all. An interesting claim that is incomplete at least. Perhaps the actual text might be helpful?”
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=god-knowing&op=Search
I am not getting PAID by atheists to keep their “orgy of death and darkness” adorned with cosmic grandeur – are you, Bradly? Full disclosure time….I am a descendent of WWII refugees from Eastern Europe, so I have heard many personal stories about how ATHEISM became the official STATE MANDATED “religion” of Communism. FACT. Here’s the other FACT – SEPARATION of church and state is the SACRED feature of USA government, and that’s what makes USA “exceptional”. What a cosmic JOKE to replace THAT philosophy for living with a “social rating” score on websites that ILLEGALLY did data mining of GOVERNMENT websites. We the People agreed to that data being HELD IN TRUST by an institution of government for the protection of our “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, not to be exploited for some monetization scheme in the Grifters Paradise of the Internet, or far worse, by the biologic threat of one billion atheists on an ant march for resources across the planet.
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God is love, but love is not God.
Did I EVER say that Gravity created itself….?! Where do you see that the creation of the UNIVERSAL GRAVITY CIRCUITS is explained as “Deity” even in the cut and pastes you provided?
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Hi Nigel – Are there any forum conversation threads from the beginning of internet UB study groups from any time across all the self-proclaimed UB websites (nothing is ever really “gone” from the internet, right?)
that get into a decent conversation about “nether Paradise”?
Obviously, “black holes” have some “gravity” going on
But also this from Paper 116. 7.1 – “The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism.”
“Delicate”….curious choice of words. Indicates to me that there IS a limit that can be break any person’s HEALTH from afar, no less. Nothing wrong in making that kind of dystopian horror less “convenient” for everyone. Look at how easily politics is won or lost by how many people hate people from afar, “conveniently” thanks to the “internet”.
Under the current TRAGIC situation of corporations doing to science what state did to religion (talk about an Amendment to the Bill of Rights being called for!), billions of tax-payers $$$$ will continue to be funneled to keep the convenience of the math – More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME
Tragic because the amount of TRUTH DATA that will never see the light of day about Who/Why are we as a human beings is the “darkness” part of the “orgy of death and destruction” that is the stigma of Luciferians – by their complete lack of DEITY ATRRIBUTES (truth, beauty, goodness) can you see, hear, feel them.
Oh, and please do not forget, Nigel, to share the pedophile tracking threads….or something along those lines because I would find it unbelievable that there could be some sentence in the UB that can be cut and pasted out of context to support sexual assault and battery of human beings from birth onward by those entrusted by State with “raising” children.
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=nether+paradise&op=Search
This is in no way appropriate – do your own homework: Uppity Bradly sez, “Actually nameless, that’s not what the UB says at all. An interesting claim that is incomplete at least. Perhaps the actual text might be helpful?”
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=god-knowing&op=Search
I am not getting PAID by atheists to keep their “orgy of death and darkness” adorned with cosmic grandeur – are you, Bradly? Full disclosure time….I am a descendent of WWII refugees from Eastern Europe, so I have heard many personal stories about how ATHEISM became the official STATE MANDATED “religion” of Communism. FACT. Here’s the other FACT – SEPARATION of church and state is the SACRED feature of USA government, and that’s what makes USA “exceptional”. What a cosmic JOKE to replace THAT philosophy for living with a “social rating” score on websites that ILLEGALLY did data mining of GOVERNMENT websites. We the People agreed to that data being HELD IN TRUST by an institution of government for the protection of our “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, not to be exploited for some monetization scheme in the Grifters Paradise of the Internet, or far worse, by the biologic threat of one billion atheists on an ant march for resources across the planet.
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God is love, but love is not God.
Did I EVER say that Gravity created itself….?! Where do you see that the creation of the UNIVERSAL GRAVITY CIRCUITS is explained as “Deity” even in the cut and pastes you provided?
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Hi Nigel – Are there any forum conversation threads from the beginning of internet UB study groups from any time across all the self-proclaimed UB websites (nothing is ever really “gone” from the internet, right?)
that get into a decent conversation about “nether Paradise”?
Obviously, “black holes” have some “gravity” going on
But also this from Paper 116. 7.1 – “The vast universe is not without those co-ordinating centers of magnificent overcontrol which might be compared to the delicate chemical-control system of the human mechanism.”
“Delicate”….curious choice of words. Indicates to me that there IS a limit that can be break any person’s HEALTH from afar, no less. Nothing wrong in making that kind of dystopian horror less “convenient” for everyone. Look at how easily politics is won or lost by how many people hate people from afar, “conveniently” thanks to the “internet”.
Under the current TRAGIC situation of corporations doing to science what state did to religion (talk about an Amendment to the Bill of Rights being called for!), billions of tax-payers $$$$ will continue to be funneled to keep the convenience of the math – More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME
Tragic because the amount of TRUTH DATA that will never see the light of day about Who/Why are we as a human beings is the “darkness” part of the “orgy of death and destruction” that is the stigma of Luciferians – by their complete lack of DEITY ATRRIBUTES (truth, beauty, goodness) can you see, hear, feel them.
Oh, and please do not forget, Nigel, to share the pedophile tracking threads….or something along those lines because I would find it unbelievable that there could be some sentence in the UB that can be cut and pasted out of context to support sexual assault and battery of human beings from birth onward by those entrusted by State with “raising” children.
https://www.urantia.org/urantia-book/search?keys=nether+paradise&op=Search
Hi Keryn and Bradly!
Learn something new every day…
Had no clue, swear on the bible as God is my witness
so I looked up the Q thingy and is this the group that you are talking about?
“…..Notably, on the very same day that Citigroup made this historic announcement, Thursday, September 10, a fact-checking website known as “Logically,” posted a breathtakingly detailed outing of one of Citigroup’s Senior Vice Presidents, Jason Gelinas, as the man behind the notorious QAnon conspiracy website known as QMap.pub.
The QMap.pub website has now disappeared from the web but you can read its archived postings at the website maintained by the Wayback Machine, an initiative of the Internet Archive……”
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So what is the political atheist’s replacement for “swear on the Bible to tell the truth”?
You can’t use illicitly collected internet activity because it is just e-data.
In order for e-data to be a fact, it can’t be taken out of the context in which it was generated – LIFE.
Internet activity can never be TRUTH as a Deity attribute, even if some coder would try to do something “Good” and “Beautiful” with internet technology…SCIENCE FACT.
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Allow me to speak for myself and “Enno” with hand on Bible – we are two distinct Personalities and if Bradly can direct me to his “evidence” I might have a clue what he is talking about – who’s “enno”?
What is the big surprise when hundreds, then thousands, then millions of people start addressing the Prima Facie evidence piling up outside their door that is blocking out the sun – “orgy of death and darkness” – during their “lockdown” lives…?!
Sure, blame it all on “enno”….? Paper 89 does a better job organizing “deep past” philosophies for living…ghost cults, fetishes, fortune telling….”deep state’s” playbook…?
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Proportionate response – making it less “convenient” for Nihilism, Hedonism, and Anarchy…
What part of “I AM NOT ENNO” do you not understand, Keryn?
Got it – atheists are so honest that they do not need something symbolic to SHOW RESPECT FOR THE LAW when bearing witness against another in a court of law.
After I continually state that I am NOT “enno”, if you continue to preach that I am, is that the kind of “Honesty” that no one should dare question?
Thanks for the good belly laugh of the day – and I have a spiritual personality growth suggestion for you – study angelic “mirth”. The rest of the eternal adventure begun here in the Nursery of Life knows how necessary humor is to “soul” progress.
As for Quakers, I am old enough to remember President Richard Nixon.
From Wikipedia – Richard Milhous Nixon was born on January 9, 1913, in Yorba Linda, California, in a house built by his father.<sup id=”cite_ref-FOOTNOTENPS,_Nixon_Birthplace_2-0″ class=”reference”>[2]<sup id=”cite_ref-FOOTNOTEFerris209_3-0″ class=”reference”>[3] His parents were Hannah (Milhous) Nixon and Francis A. Nixon. His mother was a Quaker, and his father converted from Methodism to the Quaker faith. Through his mother, Nixon was a descendant of the early English settler Thomas Cornell, who was also an ancestor of Ezra Cornell, the founder of Cornell University, as well as of Jimmy Carter and Bill Gates.<sup id=”cite_ref-4″ class=”reference”>[4]
As a grammar school kid learning more and more “biology” year after year, and hearing personal stories from many WWII veterans, survivors, and refugees, I remember how treaty after treaty were being hammered out in the decade that followed the end of the war among countries who did NOT want a repeat of the “orgy of death and darkness” launched eons ago by Lucifer’s mental masturbation manifesto now being Caligastia’s “how to govern the stupid humans” protocol. What a hate fest! Hope people can recover before they get put down out of the necessity of protecting those not infected with the Caligastia hate virus…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statement_on_Chemical_and_Biological_Defense_Policies_and_Programs
Looks like being so honest as political atheists that “not swearing on a bible” is still no indicator that an atheist country is going to honor GLOBAL treaties that honor the commitment to not repeat the “orgy of death and darkness”….
Obviously. the various authors of the Papers have a great respect for the massive vocabulary of the English language and it’s ability to be precise when discussing philosophy and physics so it is always a cause for a pause with this phrase they used – “orgy of death and darkness”.
Loads of history of warfare including this famous one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffery_Amherst,_1st_Baron_Amherst
“Amherst’s legacy is controversial due to his expressed desire to exterminate the race of indigenous people during Pontiac’s War, and his advocacy of biological warfare in the form of gifting blankets infected with smallpox as a weapon,<sup id=”cite_ref-umass_2-0″ class=”reference”>[1] notably at the Siege of Fort Pitt.
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Bottom line is this – real science still rules the day on this Nursery of Life whether anyone knows what it is or not.
No one is going to KNEEL to atheist ideologies that do not even understand “gravity” other than “big black hole”…
Do atheists believe the FACT that this planet is a Nursery of LIFE…? They can swear all they want that it isn’t, “it’s random atoms colliding”, but it still is
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It’s a war. Proportionate response #1 – making it less convenient for the smallpox blanket grifters to keep their math steady:
More misery for others = More $$$$ for ME ME ME
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war_theory
Just war theory (Latin: jus bellum justum) is a doctrine, also referred to as a tradition, of military ethics studied by military leaders, theologians, ethicists and policy makers. The purpose of the doctrine is to ensure war is morally justifiable through a series of criteria, all of which must be met for a war to be considered just.
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Bradly wrote, “Science rules nothing…but merely describes material reality.”
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Well, at least you did not find anything in the UB that backs that opinion up….same for Keryn’s nihilistic dismissal of “truth and honesty”…
Nixon had a Quaker mother, and he self-identified as a Quaker.
from Wikipedia – “The “Statement on Chemical and Biological Defense Policies and Programs” was a speech delivered on November 25, 1969, by U.S. President Richard Nixon. In the speech, Nixon announced the end of the U.S. offensive biological weapons program and reaffirmed a no-first-use policy for chemical weapons. The statement excluded toxins, herbicides and riot-control agents as they were not chemical and biological weapons, though herbicides and toxins were both later banned. The decision to ban biological weapons was influenced by a number of domestic and international issues.”
Another President ignored by history….but the entire WORLD pretending NOW that we KNEW back in 1969 that it could turn out like this…?! The cheapest way to steal it all…?
That’s just collective media alzheimers and/or the media wanting to get theirs out of the G R I F T….imho
Bradly wrote, “Science rules nothing…but merely describes material reality.” ______________________________________________ Well, at least you did not find anything in the UB that backs that opinion up….same for Keryn’s nihilistic dismissal of “truth and honesty”…
Keryn’s observations about honesty, integrity, and sincerity are spit on. An oath sworn is neither spiritual or reliable or any prediction of honesty.
Nameless originally posted: “Bottom line is this – real science still rules the day on this Nursery of Life whether anyone knows what it is or not.”
Actually…the entire text teaches that science is merely knowledge of reality and the scientific method is the pursuit of knowledge, understanding, snd explanation of reality. Certainly science does not and cannot “rule” anything at all.
Only personalities can create, organize, manage, and rule universe realities. Science is not a cause. Science seeks causes. Religion seeks the source of causes. Philosophy unifies and harmonizes both religion and science.
Science causes nothing…and rules nothing. Just more false claims and code talking by Nameless.
Always happy to offer text support:
101:2.7 (1106.6) Science ends its reason-search in the hypothesis of a First Cause. Religion does not stop in its flight of faith until it is sure of a God of salvation. The discriminating study of science logically suggests the reality and existence of an Absolute. Religion believes unreservedly in the existence and reality of a God who fosters personality survival. What metaphysics fails utterly in doing, and what even philosophy fails partially in doing, revelation does; that is, affirms that this First Cause of science and religion’s God of salvation are one and the same Deity.
101:2.8 (1106.7) Reason is the proof of science, faith the proof of religion, logic the proof of philosophy, but revelation is validated only by human experience. Science yields knowledge; religion yields happiness; philosophy yields unity; revelation confirms the experiential harmony of this triune approach to universal reality.
101:5.2 (1110.5) Science deals with facts; religion is concerned only with values. Through enlightened philosophy the mind endeavors to unite the meanings of both facts and values, thereby arriving at a concept of complete reality. Remember that science is the domain of knowledge, philosophy the realm of wisdom, and religion the sphere of the faith experience…
101:5.9 (1110.12) Scientists assemble facts, philosophers co-ordinate ideas, while prophets exalt ideals. Feeling and emotion are invariable concomitants of religion, but they are not religion. Religion may be the feeling of experience, but it is hardly the experience of feeling. Neither logic (rationalization) nor emotion (feeling) is essentially a part of religious experience, although both may variously be associated with the exercise of faith in the furtherance of spiritual insight into reality, all according to the status and temperamental tendency of the individual mind.
102:1.2 (1119.1) The reason of science is based on the observable facts of time; the faith of religion argues from the spirit program of eternity. What knowledge and reason cannot do for us, true wisdom admonishes us to allow faith to accomplish through religious insight and spiritual transformation.
102:1.4 (1119.3) The certainties of science proceed entirely from the intellect; the certitudes of religion spring from the very foundations of the entire personality. Science appeals to the understanding of the mind; religion appeals to the loyalty and devotion of the body, mind, and spirit, even to the whole personality.
102:1.5 (1119.4) God is so all real and absolute that no material sign of proof or no demonstration of so-called miracle may be offered in testimony of his reality. Always will we know him because we trust him, and our belief in him is wholly based on our personal participation in the divine manifestations of his infinite reality.
102:3.5 (1122.1) Science, knowledge, leads to fact consciousness; religion, experience, leads to value consciousness; philosophy, wisdom, leads to co-ordinate consciousness; revelation (the substitute for morontia mota) leads to the consciousness of true reality; while the co-ordination of the consciousness of fact, value, and true reality constitutes awareness of personality reality, maximum of being, together with the belief in the possibility of the survival of that very personality.
102:3.10 (1122.6) Science seeks to identify, analyze, and classify the segmented parts of the limitless cosmos. …
102:3.12 (1122.8) The pursuit of knowledge constitutes science; the search for wisdom is philosophy; the love for God is religion; the hunger for truth is a revelation. …
Me here: Only personality can rule any part of reality and only personality can attain wisdom by the unification of reality experience by personality. Science merely attempts to explain reality…it is not itself reality….nor does it rule anything.
Thanks for asking…
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Keryn’s observations about honesty, integrity, and sincerity are spit on. An oath sworn is neither spiritual or reliable or any prediction of honesty.
Should be “spot on”. Hahaha.
Thought I edited/corrected it. Too late to edit now. Oh well…
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
That’s funny!
Back to nameless’ comment:
Bradly wrote, “Science rules nothing…but merely describes material reality.” ______________________________________________ Well, at least you did not find anything in the UB that backs that opinion up….same for Keryn’s nihilistic dismissal of “truth and honesty”…
Challenge accepted!
Urantia Book 88:2.8 (969.6) “The practice of opening one of these sacred books to let the eye chance upon a passage, the following of which may determine important life decisions or projects, is nothing more nor less than arrant fetishism. To take an oath on a “holy book” or to swear by some object of supreme veneration is a form of refined fetishism.”
