So Bradly, …if your up to it… can you translate to me what this previous UB narration actually means to you, since you clearly understand what the book says and doesn’t say?
Looks like I have a dish of crow and some humble pie to digest this morning. Midi, one of the reasons for starting this topic was to allow you to express your beliefs, questions, and propositions regarding the authors’ presentations of their own uncertainties. I confess my bad form and gladly accept your rebuke…it is well deserved. There is no reason (no good reason that is) for me to be snide or sarcastic. I appreciate your point about the Master which demonstrates how much progress I have yet to make in being insightful, gracious, and witty! And I also appreciate your patience with my “handicaps”.
I readily confess, and repeat, that I do not and have never claimed to “understand what the books says”, and certainly do not claim to understand what it does not say…..that historic and consistent claim of mine is that “the UB says what it says and does not say what it does not”.…I hope that distinction eventually becomes clearer to you. I do not consider or posture myself as an “interpreter” of the Papers and readily admit that my “understanding” is both limited and progressive as well as “personal”, meaning my intellect, experience, wisdom, and insight are those of a tadpole and in no way approaches the intellect, experience, wisdom, and insight of the authors of the Revelation.
So….as I understand the issue as proposed, some of us conclude that the authors are sharing the reality that there are “mysteries” in the universe of universes – both in Paradise and, by extension, in time and space. And that the questions posed are not presented seeking any form of answer/solution from or by the audience – considering the disparity in knowledge, wisdom, experience, and proximity of the authors to the mysteries they have presented to the audience….a rhetorical form of sharing that which is unknown, and likely unknowable, to any mind which is not the First Source and Center – the creator of and upholder of all other minds and personalities.
As I understand it, you propose that these questions are posited for the audience to consider….and solve…and that mortal mind is capable of comprehending and understanding and solving these “problems” presented. (I hope I have not misstated or misrepresented your proposition and understanding.)
I will conclude, for now: I think all such ponderings and questions asked are without-answer for both the author(s) and the audience. I would further claim to believe that “These unknown, unfathomable unpredictable…” are unknown and unfathomable as stated – and so I personally conclude that the questions are not offered for our solution but were included for some other reason(s)….some of which have been offered here by myself and others. Also, I still wonder what “questionable facts” might be and your inference that a text which includes both facts-claimed and mysteries-unknown somehow diminishes the truths and facts or becomes unreliable in its authoritative presentations of reality, history, and personalities.
Thanks Bonita! It is such hubris and sophistries (as those claims you posted and iterated by Midi) that sets my hair on fire….I do not regret my position on the matter but my lack of poise and wisdom does not serve that position either. So much for tadpoles to learn…to be innocent and wise…and with wit too! Let those who may solve the problems and answer the questions of a Divine Counselor do so.
I look forward to more text and discussions on the topic….and hope for better deportment and more graciousness on my own part! = )
26:4.13 When, through and by the ministry of all the helper hosts of the universal scheme of survival, you are finally deposited on the receiving world of Havona, you arrive with only one sort of perfection — perfection of purpose. Your purpose has been thoroughly proved; your faith has been tested. You are known to be disappointment proof. Not even the failure to discern the Universal Father can shake the faith or seriously disturb the trust of an ascendant mortal who has passed through the experience that all must traverse in order to attain the perfect spheres of Havona. By the time you reach Havona, your sincerity has become sublime. Perfection of purpose and divinity of desire, with steadfastness of faith, have secured your entrance to the settled abodes of eternity; your deliverance from the uncertainties of time is full and complete; and now must you come face to face with the problems of Havona and the immensities of Paradise, to meet which you have so long been in training in the experiential epochs of time on the world schools of space.
Evidently, the “problems of Havona” remain mysterious to even a Divine Counselor (and we must remember the author’s further qualification in the Papers that both language and mortal mind are additional obstacles to all such issues of both communication and understanding), which, again, means to me that the questions posed have no expectation of the audience to answer….not until both fusion and finality….if even then. = )
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
