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Nearby Race of Non-Breathers

21 posts · 4 participants · started Feb 27, 2025, 6:09 AM

  1. From paper 49 of The Urantia Book:

    49:3.3 (563.6)
    Millions upon millions of meteorites enter the atmosphere
    of Urantia daily, coming in at the rate of almost two hundred miles a
    second. On the nonbreathing worlds the advanced races must do much to
    protect themselves from meteor damage by making electrical installations
    which operate to consume or shunt the meteors. Great danger confronts
    them when they venture beyond these protected zones. These worlds are
    also subject to disastrous electrical storms of a nature unknown on Urantia.
    During such times of tremendous energy fluctuation the inhabitants must
    take refuge in their special structures of protective insulation.

    49:3.6 (564.2)
    You would be more than interested in the planetary conduct
    of this type of mortal because such a race of beings inhabits a sphere in
    close proximity to Urantia.

    I guess the question to ask is: how do the Revelators define “close proximity”? Like many scientifically minded students of The Urantia Book, this assertion has always intrigued me. There is one world in our very solar system which most assuredly fits this description. I’m refering to Jupiter’s closest moon Io of course. Native astronomers have amassed considerable research on the most active member of this solar system (monmatia). [NASA’s website alone has numerous articles on Io.] In summary, its close proximity to Jupiter affects it with great tidal forces and magnetic fields making it the most volcanically & electronically active location in our solar system. I speculate it may well be the location of a race of non-breathers. I’m probably not the only scientifically minded student of The Urantia Book to engage in this speculation. What do you Think?

    Randy

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  2. I would vote for Ganymede but the a Universal Censor says this:

    15:6.15 (173.5)…In your solar system only three planets (Urantia, Mars, Venus) are at present suited to harbor life.

    The Censor didn’t say moons!

    Richard E Warren

  3. Hi Richard,

    Thank you for your interest in this topic. I seem to recall that you also participated on Truthbook many years ago. Perhaps I am mistaken.

    The Universal Censor (an employee of The Paradise Hotel-highest realm in existence) didn’t identify which planets were capable of harboring life of our kind. Elsewhere (in TUB) super-breathers were said to inhabit planets with a thick atmosphere like Venus [a comparison]. And sub-breathers a planet with a thin atmosphere like Mars [another comparison]. As far as I know The Urantia Book does not explicitly state these planets harbor any kind of life. Of course, Mars has been the subject of intense speculation by native astronomers and by science fiction authors as a possible location of life. There is some scientific evidence it may have once had life long ago. Perhaps some remains to this day. [NASA has numerous articles about this.]

    Also, neither Venus, Mars, or Ganymede have intense electrical storms of the kind described in the quote I used to begin this discussion. But Io most definitely does. And non-breathers are definitely not the same kind of life as we are. Elsewhere (in TUB) moons of gas giant planets are said to make suitable locations for mortal life.

    As long as we’re voting, I would suggest Europa (Jupiter’s second moon) as the third candidate for some kind of mortal life in our present day solar system.  [NASA’s website has numerous articles about this.]

    However, many years from now when The Sun nears the end of its existence, all the inner planets (including Urantia) will be gone. The Sun will be in either its first or second “red giant phase” as currently understood by native astrophysicists and Ganymede, Callisto, or Titan might make suitable locations for some kind of mortal life in the future. If so, then I’m sure the Life Carriers will be ready to go to work. ;<)

    Randy

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  4. Hey Randy,

    Yes, we probably crossed paths on Truthbook years ago. I drop in now and then, but haven’t engaged lately.

    Io! That’s an interesting pick, didn’t know it has storms.

    My understanding is that the power manipulators will come in and physically stabilize the suns and worlds when they enter the latter stages of evolution, no?

    Richard E Warren

  5. Richard,

    As someone who once had delusions of becoming an astrophysicist, the (uninspired) science presented in The Urantia Book as it relates to stars has always fascinated me. There is a marked difference as compared to current understanding of native astrophysics.

    In native astrophysics, the conceptual framework is predicated upon the assertion that all stars turn an initial mass of mostly hydrogen into helium by fusion producing light and heat. It is this initial mass which determines the kind of star and how long it might exist. This conceptual framework is represented by something called “The Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram.” Of course, native astrophysics does not include the ultimaton in this conceptual framework.

    But The Urantia Book most certainly does and therein lies the difference. As I understand it, TUB presents a specific relationship between ultimatonic energy, density, and temperature. Or to put it another way: density and temperature of matter are a function of ultimatonic energy. I’m sure that function can be expressed in mathematical terms. Unfortunately, higher math isn’t my strong point.

    Ultimatonic energy is proportional to “rate of spin.” Higher rate of spin equals higher ultimatonic energy. Lower rate of spin equals lower ultimatonic energy. I believe this to be true regardless of whether we’re talking about sub-atomic particles, moons, planets, stars or galaxies. And higher rate of spin (rapid rotation) may well be an indication of these power directors hard at work evolving the universe of universes.

    The nature of The Ultimaton is something we may not be able to fully understand from our current place of mortal existence on the third floor of The Nebadon Suite in The Orvonton Hotel. However, I speculate, this true nature of the ultimaton as the basic building block of reality is something all the director orders of celestial beings from the master force organizers all the way down to chronoldeks and frandaleks understand as part of their very natures relative to their specific function. I believe they can manipulate, modulate, and control the ultimaton in much the same way our advancing technology is allowing us a greater ability to manipulate, modulate, and control both electrons and photons. For this reason, stars of appropriate size and age lacking worlds of any kind of mortal life, can be intentionally transformed by their use of extremely advanced technology into tools of astonishing power and range.

    Therefore, I speculate, when the sun reaches an appropriate stage in its evolution and the early forms of mortal life evolved close to the sun by the life carriers have ceased to exist, there will come a time in the distant future when the sun is much larger and evolution of life will take place much farther away on some of the other moons of Jupiter and Saturn (Ganymede, Callisto, and Titan) because evolving mortal life is a large part of what the universe of universes is all about.

    [To members of this discussion forum dedicated to the scientific study of The Urantia Book who have an interest in astronomy: there is a free-open source application called “Stellarium” which can function as a virtual planetarium, telescope and data base on your mobile or desktop computer. But of course sufficient computer skills and understanding of astronomy are necessary to use it.]

    Randy

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  6. Regarding “rapid rotation,” I’d like to give three examples of nearby stars well known for their high rate of rotation:

    The first is Altair. “Altair is a very fast spinner. With a rotational velocity of about 242 km/s, it is the fastest rotating star within 10 parsecs of the Sun. It spins at about 60.5% of its estimated breakup speed (400 km/s). The star has a rotation period of only 7.7 hours. In comparison, the Sun’s rotation period is a little more than 25 days.”

    The second is Gamma Cassiopeiae. “Gamma Cassiopeiae is an exceptionally fast spinner, with a projected rotational velocity of 432 km/s. As a result, its equatorial radius is larger than its polar radius, giving the star a flattened shape. Like its neighbour Caph, Gamma Cassiopeiae is an example of gravity darkening. Its poles are closer to the centre of mass and therefore hotter and more luminous than the equatorial region.”

    The third is Achernar. “Achernar is notable both for its brightness and for its shape, which resembles a spinning top more than it does a perfect sphere. The unusually oblate shape is a result of the star’s high rotational velocity. At the time its shape was detected (2003), Achernar was the flattest star known.”

    [All quotes are from https://www.star-facts.com/ ]

    As far as I know, native astrophysics does not attempt to explain why these stars (and others) spin fast. Jupiter and Saturn also spin fast for planets. And again, as far as I know, native astronomy does not attempt to explain why these planets rotate rapidly compared to the other planets of our solar system.

    However, I speculate, we are seeing (as much as can be seen from The Third Floor of The Orvonton Hotel) examples of celestial bodies on some kind of cosmic energy circuit.

    From paper 29 of The Uranita Book:

    29:2.15 (321.7) The electronic organization of universe power functions in
    seven phases and discloses varying response to local or linear gravity. This
    sevenfold circuit proceeds from the superuniverse power centers and
    pervades each supercreation. Such specialized currents of time and space
    are definite and localized energy movements initiated and directed for
    specific purposes, much as the Gulf Stream functions as a circumscribed
    phenomenon in the midst of the Atlantic Ocean.

    This quote may explain why Altair, Gamma Cass, and Achernar spin so fast compared to other stars.

    also from paper 29:

    29:3.8 (323.6) It is utterly beyond my ability to explain the manner in
    which these living beings encompass the manipulation and regulation of the
    master circuits of universe energy. To undertake to inform you further
    concerning the size and function of these gigantic and almost perfectly
    efficient power centers, would only add to your confusion and
    consternation. They are both living and “personal,” but they are beyond
    your comprehension.

    Throughout The Urantia Book, The Revelators inform us how difficult it was for them to explain the Universe in terms or examples we can understand. In my opinion, it’s because the Universe looks completely different relative to the level of reality of the observer. But we can see “rate of spin.”

    An electric motor spins faster the more power it is given. The relationship of Jupiter and Io is very much like an electric motor or generator. There is a very strong current flowing between them. Enough to power a small city. Likewise, I speculate, the examples of the nearby stars I have given represent a cosmic motor or generator at work. A long term study of these stars could prove quite useful in understanding the universe and how it operates. It may even result in the revision of native astronomy, astrophysics, and cosmology.

    Randy

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  7. Hi Randy,

    Thank you for the thoughtful comments. I have no disagreement with most of what you said and speculated on, notwithstanding some of it is above my pay-grade. There is one point that might warrant more discussion:

    The authors put forth the idea that planets (and suns presumably) will eventually be stabilized after achieving light and life:

    15:8:6 (176.1) Eventually the larger physical systems become stabilized, become physically settled, and are swung into the balanced and established circuits of the superuniverses.

    55:7:4 (632.3) This settled age continues on and on until every inhabited planet in the system attains the era of stabilization; and then, when the youngest world—the last to achieve light and life—has experienced such settledness for one millennium of system time, the entire system enters the stabilized status, and the individual worlds are ushered into the system epoch of the era of light and life.

    55:11:2 (635.4) As far as observations can penetrate, the fifth or minor sector stage of stabilization has exclusively to do with physical status and with the co-ordinate settling of the one hundred associated local universes in the established circuits of the superuniverse.

    117:0:3 (1278.3) When an evolving mind becomes attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind, when an evolving universe becomes stabilized after the pattern of the central universe, when an advancing spirit contacts the united ministry of the Master Spirits, when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster, then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization.

    Does this collide with your statement:

    Therefore, I speculate, when the sun reaches an appropriate stage in its evolution and the early forms of mortal life evolved close to the sun by the life carriers have ceased to exist, there will come a time in the distant future when the sun is much larger and evolution of life will take place much farther away on some of the other moons of Jupiter and Saturn (Ganymede, Callisto, and Titan) because evolving mortal life is a large part of what the universe of universes is all about.

     

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    Richard E Warren

  8. Hi Richard,

    Regarding the evolution of the sun:

    According to native astrophysics, the sun is about 5 billion years old and has reached about half of its total existence. It seems TUB partially agrees with this. The first “red giant phase” of the sun won’t occur for another billion years or so. The second, a billion years or so after that.

    It would seem that if a race of non-breathers exists on Io, they have yet to achieve an “Age of Light and Life.” Physical existence on Io would be extremely challenging to say the least. I assume that when the inner planets cease to exist because they have been consumed by the expanding sun, it will be because they (Urantia) have completely achieved this lofty mortal goal and no longer need physical existence. In that distant future, other types of mortal life evolving on outer worlds in our solar system may well have a similar opportunity to achieve their own “Age of Light and Life.”

    Regarding this concept of the “Age of Light and Life:”

    According to The Urantia Book, how many worlds have achieved this in the System of Satania?

    or the Constellation of Norlatiadek?

    or the Local Universe of Nebadon?

    or the Super Universe of Orvonton?

    or the Entire Grand Universe?

    In considering the quotes you have provided, I can’t help but ask these questions. In college, I received a modest amount of scientific training but did not receive a degree in astrophysics. But even so, the scientific method is all about measuring something and generally speaking, scientists do not like anything they can’t measure.

    Given the purported age of The Universe of Universes, it seems to me that it takes an extremely long time by our mortal standards for worlds to achieve an “Age of Light and Life” or for  “an evolving mind to become attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind” or for “an evolving universe to become stabilized after the pattern of the central universe” or for “an advancing spirit to contact the united ministry of the Master Spirits” or for “an ascending mortal personality to finally attune to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster” or for “the actuality of the Supreme to become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization.”

    Consider Andon and Fonda: their mortal lives were supposedly about a million years ago and they did indeed survive mortal death. And yet, in all that time they are currently beings of 4D status (i.e. Citizens of Jerusem residing on the fourth floor of the Nebadon Suite of The Orvonton Hotel) and apparently there they will stay for all of eternity.

    As I understand it, there are at least 14 dimensions total in the Universe of Universes. The upper seven represent The Paradise Hotel-highest realm in existence. The lower seven represent The Grand Universe level of reality. The Supreme Being represents the evolving “manager” of the Entire Grand Universe and our diminutive solar system represents one atom in the body of the Supreme Being.

    Assuming our solar system can be compared to “one atom in the body of the Supreme Being” there is plenty of room for evolution and stabilization of circuits yet to take place.

    Randy

     

     

     

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  9. A few more thoughts on the (hypothetical) race of non-breathers residing on Io:

    The Urantia Book uses the adjective “advanced” to describe the race of non-breathers in close proximity to our world. The environment of Io would be extremely harsh by any standards and any kind of mortal life living there would by necessity demonstrate the advanced racial traits of cooperation and unity of purpose in order to survive. I speculate this would apply to both their civilization and to their technology. For this reason, the Iotians (if we could call them that) would probably be much closer to achieving an Age of Light and Life than we are despite the challenges presented by their environment. Or perhaps because of it. Such a race could teach us a thing or two about “unity.”  A concept so important to The Fifth Epochal Revelation.

    Randy

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  10. 15:6.15 (173.5)…In your solar system only three planets (Urantia, Mars, Venus) are at present suited to harbor life.

    The Censor didn’t say moons!

    I did find a reference to moons, aka satellites, saying that they can be suitable for habitation.

    49:0.4   Not all planets are suited to harbor mortal life. Small ones having a high rate of axial revolution are wholly unsuited for life habitats. In several of the physical systems of Satania the planets revolving around the central sun are too large for habitation, their great mass occasioning oppressive gravity. Many of these enormous spheres have satellites, sometimes a half dozen or more, and these moons are often in size very near that of Urantia, so that they are almost ideal for habitation.

    I’m not suggesting that a moon of Jupiter is suitable.  I don’t know. We do have this:

    32:2.10 [Part II]
    Satania is not a uniform physical system, a single astronomic unit or organization. Its 619 inhabited worlds are located in over five hundred different physical systems. Only five have more than two inhabited worlds, and of these only one has four peopled planets, while there are forty-six having two inhabited worlds.

    But here is another reference informing us that of the 619 inhabited planets in Satania, only nine are inhabited by non-breathers.

    49:3.1   The majority of inhabited planets are peopled with the breathing type of intelligent beings. But there are also orders of mortals who are able to live on worlds with little or no air. Of the Orvonton inhabited worlds this type amounts to less than seven per cent. In Nebadon this percentage is less than three. In all Satania there are only nine such worlds.

    This might  give us a clue:

    49:3.2   There are so very few of the nonbreather type of inhabited worlds in Satania because this more recently organized section of Norlatiadek still abounds in meteoric space bodies; and worlds without a protective friction atmosphere are subject to incessant bombardment by these wanderers. Even some of the comets consist of meteor swarms, but as a rule they are disrupted smaller bodies of matter.

    . . . . . . . . . . . . .   .   .   .   .

    rhermen wrote:  The Urantia Book uses the adjective “advanced” to describe the race of non-breathers in close proximity to our world.
    Randy, can you direct us to a reference to support the word “advanced”? Thanks.
  11. Mara wrote: “Randy, can you direct us to a reference to support the word “advanced”? Thanks.”

    Certainly Mara. It comes from the quote I used to begin this discussion. Thank you for your interest in this topic.

    49:3.3 …On the nonbreathing worlds the advanced races must do much to
    protect themselves from meteor damage by making electrical installations
    which operate to consume or shunt the meteors.

    The quotes you have provided do offer some clues.

    49:0.4 …In several of the physical systems of Satania the planets revolving around the central sun are too large for habitation, their great mass occasioning oppressive gravity. Many of these enormous spheres have satellites, sometimes a half dozen or more, and these moons are often in size very near that of Urantia, so that they are almost ideal for habitation.

    This could easily describe Jupiter and Io is slightly larger than our moon.

    32:2.10 …Satania is not a uniform physical system, a single astronomic unit or organization. Its 619 inhabited worlds are located in over five hundred different physical systems. Only five have more than two inhabited worlds, and of these only one has four peopled planets, while there are forty-six having two inhabited worlds.

    While these statistics are interesting, the Censor said:

    15:6.15 …In your solar system only three planets are at present suited to harbor life.

    The Censor doesn’t say which ones. IMO, if a world harbors life it doesn’t matter if it’s a moon or a planet.

    49:3.1 …The majority of inhabited planets are peopled with the breathing type of intelligent beings. But there are also orders of mortals who are able to live on worlds with little or no air. Of the Orvonton inhabited worlds this type amounts to less than seven per cent. In Nebadon this percentage is less than three. In all Satania there are only nine such worlds.

    Io has little or no air.

    49:3.2 …There are so very few of the nonbreather type of inhabited worlds in Satania because this more recently organized section of Norlatiadek still abounds in meteoric space bodies; and worlds without a protective friction atmosphere are subject to incessant bombardment by these wanderers. Even some of the comets consist of meteor swarms, but as a rule they are disrupted smaller bodies of matter.

    Because Io is in close proximity to Jupiter’s massive gravity and that it also has little or no air, it is constantly bombarded with meteors and even small asteroids. This is scientific fact. [NASA has numerous articles about this.]

    Any kind of mortal beings inhabiting Io would have to protect themselves not only from the constant bombardment of meteors and small asteroids, they would have to protect themselves from the strong electrical current flowing between Jupiter and Io. Also because of its close proximity to Jupiter’s massive gravity, Io experiences strong Io-quakes and volcanoes due to tidal forces. Taken together, these factors indicate an extremely harsh environment. [NASA has numerous articles about this.]

    The hypothetical Iotians would by necessity demonstrate advanced racial unity in order to survive. This would apply to their civilization and technology. I’m speculating of course. There is no scientific evidence of life on Io as far as I know. And yet, these clues from The Urantia Book taken all together indicate that Io might be the location of a nearby race of non-breathers in my opinion.

    Randy

     

     

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  12. 49:3.3 …On the nonbreathing worlds the advanced races must do much to . . . .

    Thanks! I missed that.
    rhermen wrote:  15:6.15 …In your solar system only three planets are at present suited to harbor life. 
    The following reference suggests the possibility of Mars and Venus as the other two planets.
    49:2.13 [Part II]
    Beings such as the Urantia races are classified as mid-breathers; you represent the average or typical breathing order of mortal existence. If intelligent creatures should exist on a planet with an atmosphere similar to that of your near neighbor, Venus, they would belong to the superbreather group, while those inhabiting a planet with an atmosphere as thin as that of your outer neighbor, Mars, would be denominated subbreathers.
  13. Mara,

    49:2.13 […If intelligent creatures should exist on a planet with an atmosphere similar to that of your near neighbor, Venus, they would belong to the superbreather group…]

    Venus has an atmosphere 90 times thicker than Urantia. I take this quote as a comparison, not as a suggestion.

    49:2.13 […while those inhabiting a planet with an atmosphere as thin as that of your outer neighbor, Mars, would be denominated subbreathers.]

    Mars has a very thin atmosphere compared to Urantia. And I also take this quote as a comparison, not as a suggestion. Currently, I believe evidence of microscopic life has been found on Mars and there is some scientific evidence it once had life long ago. As far as I know, there has been no scientific evidence of life found on Venus.

    In summary, Urantia is of course suited to harbor life. And Io seems to be a possible location for a race of non-breathing mortals in close proximity to our world. The third possibility is Europa. Many space probes have investigated both Io and Europa and there is much speculation in the scientific community concerning the possibility of life on those moons.

    Randy

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  14. The hypothetical Iotians would by necessity demonstrate advanced racial unity in order to survive. This would apply to their civilization and technology. I’m speculating of course. There is no scientific evidence of life on Io as far as I know. And yet, these clues from The Urantia Book taken all together indicate that Io might be the location of a nearby race of non-breathers in my opinion.

    I’m still chewing on your idea that a moon of Jupiter might harbor non-breather types of life.  Cold worlds might be suitable places they say, but what about proximity to a nearby sun? Do you think a Jupiter moon is close enough to the sun?

    15:6.14   The Planets. These are the larger aggregations of matter which follow an orbit around a sun or some other space body; they range in size from planetesimals to enormous gaseous, liquid, or solid spheres. The cold worlds which have been built up by the assemblage of floating space material, when they happen to be in proper relation to a near-by sun, are the more ideal planets to harbor intelligent inhabitants. The dead suns are not, as a rule, suited to life; they are usually too far away from a living, blazing sun, and further, they are altogether too massive; gravity is tremendous at the surface.

    15:6.15  In your superuniverse not one cool planet in forty is habitable by beings of your order. And, of course, the superheated suns and the frigid outlying worlds are unfit to harbor higher life. In your solar system only three planets are at present suited to harbor life. Urantia, in size, density, and location, is in many respects ideal for human habitation.

    What are your thoughts on the need for light-energy, since the non-breather races do not intake food?

    49:2.24   6. The energizing types. Not all worlds are alike in the manner of taking in energy. Not all inhabited worlds have an atmospheric ocean suited to respiratory exchange of gases, such as is present on Urantia. During the earlier and the later stages of many planets, beings of your present order could not exist; and when the respiratory factors of a planet are very high or very low, but when all other prerequisites to intelligent life are adequate, the Life Carriers often establish on such worlds a modified form of mortal existence, beings who are competent to effect their life-process exchanges directly by means of light-energy and the firsthand power transmutations of the Master Physical Controllers.

  15. Mara,

    I applaud your efforts to understand this difficult discussion.

    [Volcanic activity on this Jovian moon is so abundant, it resurfaces the face of Io with new deposits faster than comets, and asteroids can pepper it with large craters.]

    [Jupiter’s moon Io is the most volcanically active world in the solar system, with hundreds of volcanoes, some erupting lava fountains dozens of miles (or kilometers) high.]

    [Io is caught in a tug-of-war between Jupiter’s massive gravity and the smaller but precisely timed pulls from two neighboring moons that orbit farther from Jupiter—Europa and Ganymede. Io’s volcanoes are at times so powerful that they are seen with large telescopes on Earth, and Io even has lakes of molten silicate lava on its surface. Only slightly larger than Earth’s Moon, Io is about one-quarter the diameter of Earth itself.]

    All quotes from https://science.nasa.gov/jupiter/jupiter-moons/io/

    It’s true Io isn’t close to the sun. But it is close to Jupiter and that provides it with heat due to this tug-of war (tidal force) between two of Jupiter’s other moons and Jupiter itself. For the same reason, Europa is also caught in a tug-of-war but not as much as Io. When the quotes you have provided discuss “light energy” they may be referring to parts of the electromagnetic spectrum besides visible light. This includes heat.

    Perhaps I’m speculating too much, but the hypothetical Iotians may not live above ground as we do. They may live below ground. (Do you remember “the Horta” from an episode called “Devil in The Dark” in Star Trek: The Original Series?) And the hypothetical Europans may be creatures dwelling in a moon spanning liquid ocean about 100 km deep.

    This video on Youtube may help you to understand.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo6w5QVrABc

    Upon further reflection, another episode (from Star Trek: TOS) called “The Savage Curtain” depicts a race of living rock-like creatures residing on a volcanically active lava world (much like Io). Their body heat is so excessive, Captain Kirk burns his hand when he touches one. These hypothetical Iotians may be similar to those fictitious creatures. I speculate the Iotians may need heat as we need food.

    Randy

     

    Anyone with a mind has an opinion and that opinion is a reflection of that mind.

  16. Consider Andon and Fonda: their mortal lives were supposedly about a million years ago and they did indeed survive mortal death. And yet, in all that time they are currently beings of 4D status (i.e. Citizens of Jerusem residing on the fourth floor of the Nebadon Suite of The Orvonton Hotel) and apparently there they will stay for all of eternity.

    “Supposedly“?  Hmmmmm…

    Definition of “supposedly”: used to show that you do not believe that something you have been told is true.

    Believe it or not, it is what the UB says.

    62:7.7 (710.6)It is just 993,408 years ago (from the year a.d. 1934) that Urantia was formally recognized as a planet of human habitation in the universe of Nebadon. Biologic evolution had once again achieved the human levels of will dignity; man had arrived on planet 606 of Satania.

    63:0.1 (711.1)URANTIA was registered as an inhabited world when the first two human beings—the twins—were eleven years old, and before they had become the parents of the first-born of the second generation of actual human beings. And the archangel message from Salvington, on this occasion of formal planetary recognition, closed with these words:

    63:0.2 (711.2)“Man-mind has appeared on 606 of Satania, and these parents of the new race shall be called Andon and Fonta. And all archangels pray that these creatures may speedily be endowed with the personal indwelling of the gift of the spirit of the Universal Father.”

    63:0.3 (711.3)Andon is the Nebadon name which signifies “the first Fatherlike creature to exhibit human perfection hunger.” Fonta signifies “the first Sonlike creature to exhibit human perfection hunger.” Andon and Fonta never knew these names until they were bestowed upon them at the time of fusion with their Thought Adjusters. Throughout their mortal sojourn on Urantia they called each other Sonta-an and Sonta-en, Sonta-an meaning “loved by mother,” Sonta-en signifying “loved by father.” They gave themselves these names, and the meanings are significant of their mutual regard and affection.

    Me here:  And about their current, temporary service assignment:

    63:7.3 (717.4)Andon and Fonta, shortly after their arrival on Jerusem, received permission from the System Sovereign to return to the first mansion world to serve with the morontia personalities who welcome the pilgrims of time from Urantia to the heavenly spheres. And they have been assigned indefinitely to this service. They sought to send greetings to Urantia in connection with these revelations, but this request was wisely denied them.

    Me here:  Please note that many celestials and ascendent mortals receive assignments that have an indefinite or indeterminate time of such service.  Being Father-fused mortals they will likely journey to Havona and become Finaliters too eventually and enjoy the adventures to come in the outer space levels alongside (perhaps) Urantia’s planetary progeny by these first people of a world!

    They are not stuck in the Hotel California forever I do not think.

    As the first pilgrims from Urantia I wonder if they will follow behind the last pilgrims of their progeny.  A poetic symmetry to their legacy if so.  Looking forward to their welcome wagon greetings.

    Funny how their message to us was delivered despite its denial, a wonderfully poignet and hilarious inclusion of tongue in cheek defiance, or paradoxical compliance.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  17. Therefore, I speculate, when the sun reaches an appropriate stage in its evolution and the early forms of mortal life evolved close to the sun by the life carriers have ceased to exist, there will come a time in the distant future when the sun is much larger and evolution of life will take place much farther away on some of the other moons of Jupiter and Saturn (Ganymede, Callisto, and Titan) because evolving mortal life is a large part of what the universe of universes is all about.

    Interesting speculation.  I wonder if you mean the “evolving mortal life” of Urantia?  Urantia mortals will relocate from this world to another in our solar system but further from the sun, prior to Light and Life?  Or do you mean a new and different original mortal species created by Life Carrier implantation and manipulation within our solar system originated  on another sphere?

    And I wonder what you mean by “early forms of mortal life”?  I believe once a world is declared inhabited by mortal life, the life Carriers are then prohibited from any additional evolutionary manipulation.  The contributions to social evolution are provided by the Prince’s staff and the Garden, while biological upliftment is by the Adamic method.

    The Urantia mortal species is already far beyond any “early” stages or “forms”.  Or perhaps you mean early in the 7 Mortal Epochs?  (Papers 52 and 55.)

    I speculate it is quite rare and unusual to have multiple inhabited evolutionary worlds in any single solar system.  There are so many such systems available to choose from.  Interesting topic for further research!

    I believe we are beyond, at, or near human history’s midpoint from origin to 7th stage Light & Life.  Pure speculation.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  18. The biggest limitation and error of “native” or modern mortal science is the absence of the presence of Deity and celestial intelligent management and manipulation – the universe reality of evolutionary creationism.

    All predictions of future catastrophic probability or cataclysm deny the universe reality of evolutionary creationism don’t you think?

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  19. My understanding is that the power manipulators will come in and physically stabilize the suns and worlds when they enter the latter stages of evolution, no?

    Thank you Rick for pointing out the UB teaching that all material systems experience inevitable geological and astrophysical stabilization and equilibrium by evolutionary creationism over time.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  20. The Urantia Book uses the adjective “advanced” to describe the race of non-breathers in close proximity to our world. The environment of Io would be extremely harsh by any standards and any kind of mortal life living there would by necessity demonstrate the advanced racial traits of cooperation and unity of purpose in order to survive. I speculate this would apply to both their civilization and to their technology.

    Me here:  Let’s consider the text quote in question.

    49:3.2 (563.5)There are so very few of the nonbreather type of inhabited worlds in Satania because this more recently organized section of Norlatiadek still abounds in meteoric space bodies; and worlds without a protective friction atmosphere are subject to incessant bombardment by these wanderers. Even some of the comets consist of meteor swarms, but as a rule they are disrupted smaller bodies of matter.

    49:3.3 (563.6)Millions upon millions of meteorites enter the atmosphere of Urantia daily, coming in at the rate of almost two hundred miles a second. On the nonbreathing worlds the advanced races must do much to protect themselves from meteor damage by making electrical installations which operate to consume or shunt the meteors. Great danger confronts them when they venture beyond these protected zones. These worlds are also subject to disastrous electrical storms of a nature unknown on Urantia. During such times of tremendous energy fluctuation the inhabitants must take refuge in their special structures of protective insulation.

    Me here:  Couple of things:  the quotes are not specifically about any certain sphere but is generally including ALL the nonbreather worlds in Satania.  Also, the quotes are not saying that nonbreather mortals are “advanced”, but rather that on all such nonbreather worlds, when populations become scientifically “advanced” enough, then they must creatively protect themselves with technological solutions.

    Or so I understand the Papers to teach.  Evolutionary progress is always earned by trial and error until and unless the celestial ministry intervenes I think.  All mortal populations on all inhabited worlds of all types are advancing, from primitive to civilized to scientific to enlightened to spiritualized.

    All “advanced races” on all material, evolutionary worlds become so similarly but not uniformly we are told.

    I hope everyone reads the entirety of Paper 49 to gain greater context to the issues raised in this most fascinating topic!

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

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