15 posts · 5 participants · started Apr 12, 2017, 9:46 AM
Question Forum Friends,
We know the beginning of the morontia span is mansion one. Do you think it ends at Salvington or Uversa? Not finding the quote. There is this:
…Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or Impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical. (9.2) 0:5.12
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Richard E Warren
I thought the morontia life begins with the birth of the soul. I think we are morontia beings until we become first-stage spirit beings after leaving Salvington.
48:6.2 You should understand that the morontia life of an ascending mortal is really initiated on the inhabited worlds at the conception of the soul, at that moment when the creature mind of moral status is indwelt by the spirit Adjuster. And from that moment on, the mortal soul has potential capacity for supermortal function, even for recognition on the higher levels of the morontia spheres of the local universe.
47:10.4 After mortals have attained residence on the system headquarters, no more literal resurrections will be experienced. The morontia form granted you on departure from the mansion world career is such as will see you through to the end of the local universe experience. Changes will be made from time to time, but you will retain this same form until you bid it farewell when you emerge as first-stage spirits preparatory for transit to the superuniverse worlds of ascending culture and spirit training.
48:1.5 When you traverse the morontia life of Nebadon, these same patient and skillful Morontia Power Supervisors will successively provide you with 570 morontia bodies, each one a phase of your progressive transformation. From the time of leaving the material worlds until you are constituted a first-stage spirit on Salvington, you will undergo just 570 separate and ascending morontia changes. Eight of these occur in the system, seventy-one in the constellation, and 491 during the sojourn on the spheres of Salvington.
Those are the needed quotes, thanks Bonita.
One more question: Are Urantian Midwayers considered morontia beings?
Richard E Warren
Rick Warren wrote: Are Urantian Midwayers considered morontia beings?
Yes. They are non-material creatures who function midway between material and spiritual . . . which is morontial as I understand it.
46:4.7 They are on Jerusem what the midway creatures are on Urantia, midway helpers functioning between the material and the spiritual.
I think I should clarify a bit in regards to the midwayers. The primary midwayers are non-material (morontial), but I think the secondary midwayers are considered to be combined beings (material and non-material), like the Material Sons and Daughters. I’m not sure if that is classified as morontia or not, but they definitely are able to function on the morontia level.
. . . the beginning of the morontia span. . . .
One’s life on one’s natal world is the womb, so to speak, of the soul. The soul is morontial, but it is embryonic.
66:4.9 During the mortal life in the flesh the soul is of embryonic estate; it is born (resurrected) in the morontia life and experiences growth through the successive morontia worlds.
Sounds like we are going to be born again (resurrected), where we will be bonafide morontians.
Are Urantian Midwayers considered morontia beings?
I couldn’t find anything about your question, but I found this snippet: 38:9.9
I did find that cherubim and sanobim are near the morontia level.
38:7.6[Part II]Cherubim and sanobim are by nature very near the morontia level of existence, and they prove to be most efficient in the borderland work of the physical, morontial, and spiritual domains. These children of the local universe Mother Spirit are characterized by “fourth creatures” much as are the Havona Servitals and the conciliating commissions. Every fourth cherubim and every fourth sanobim are quasi-material, very definitely resembling the morontia level of existence.(38:7.7) These angelic fourth creatures are of great assistance to the seraphim in the more literal phases of their universe and planetary activities. Such morontia cherubim also perform many indispensable borderline tasks on the morontia training worlds and are assigned to the service of the Morontia Companions in large numbers. They are to the morontia spheres about what the midway creatures are to the evolutionary planets. On the inhabited worlds these morontia cherubim frequently work in liaison with the midway creatures. Cherubim and midway creatures are distinctly separate orders of beings; they have dissimilar origins, but they disclose great similarity in nature and function.
48:5.1 In the worlds of mortal existence the seraphim is ably assisted by cherubim and sanobim; but when her mortal ward is delivered from the bonds of the flesh and starts out on the ascendant career, when the postmaterial or morontia life begins, the attending seraphim has no further need of the ministrations of her former lieutenants, the cherubim and sanobim.
Looks to me as though morontia life begins upon resurrection, even though one’s immortal soul began to exist here, as a soul embryo.
Are Urantian Midwayers considered morontia beings?
It would seem that if the Urantia Book indicates that we mortals are potential “ascending Sons of God”, then based on the other classifications, Midwayers would also be considered, at one point or another, the same as us mortal beings. Therefore, if we can be classified as or “considered morontia beings”, thereby can Midwayers also be “considered morontia beings.”
(424.1) 38:9.1 The midway creatures have a threefold classification: They are properly classified with the ascending Sons of God; they are factually grouped with the orders of permanent citizenship, while they are functionally reckoned with the ministering spirits of time because of their intimate and effective association with the angelic hosts in the work of serving mortal man on the individual worlds of space.
(194.1) 16:8.1 The Universal Father bestows personality upon numerous orders of beings as they function on diverse levels of universe actuality. Urantia human beings are endowed with personality of the finite-mortal type, functioning on the level of the ascending sons of God.
(223.6) 20:1.1 All descending Sons of God have high and divine origins. They are dedicated to the descending ministry of service on the worlds and systems of time and space, there to facilitate the progress in the Paradise climb of the lowly creatures of evolutionary origin — the ascending sons of God. Of the numerous orders of descending Sons, seven will be depicted in these narratives. Those Sons who come forth from the Deities on the central Isle of Light and Life are called the Paradise Sons of God and embrace the following three orders:
(425.5) 38:9.13 Midwayers remain for long periods on an inhabited world, but if faithful to their trust, they will eventually and most certainly be recognized for their agelong service in maintaining the sovereignty of the Creator Son; they will be duly rewarded for their patient ministry to the material mortals on their world of time and space. Sooner or later all accredited midway creatures will be mustered into the ranks of the ascending Sons of God and will be duly initiated into the long adventure of the Paradise ascent in company with those very mortals of animal origin, their earth brethren, whom they so jealously guarded and so effectively served during the long planetary sojourn.
Yes. They are non-material creatures who function midway between material and spiritual . . . which is morontial as I understand it.
46:4.7 They are on Jerusem what the midway creatures are on Urantia, midway helpers functioning between the material and the spiritual.
I think I should clarify a bit in regards to the midwayers. The primary midwayers are non-material (morontial), but I think the secondary midwayers are considered to be combined beings (material and non-material), like the Material Sons and Daughters. I’m not sure if that is classified as morontia or not, but they definitely are able to function on the morontia level.
Thanks for the replies and clarification.
Richard E Warren
. . . the beginning of the morontia span. . . .
One’s life on one’s natal world is the womb, so to speak, of the soul. The soul is morontial, but it is embryonic.
66:4.9 During the mortal life in the flesh the soul is of embryonic estate; it is born (resurrected) in the morontia life and experiences growth through the successive morontia worlds.
Sounds like we are going to be born again (resurrected), where we will be bonafide morontians.
Are Urantian Midwayers considered morontia beings?
I couldn’t find anything about your question, but I found this snippet: 38:9.9 I did find that cherubim and sanobim are near the morontia level.
38:7.6[Part II]Cherubim and sanobim are by nature very near the morontia level of existence, and they prove to be most efficient in the borderland work of the physical, morontial, and spiritual domains. These children of the local universe Mother Spirit are characterized by “fourth creatures” much as are the Havona Servitals and the conciliating commissions. Every fourth cherubim and every fourth sanobim are quasi-material, very definitely resembling the morontia level of existence.(38:7.7) These angelic fourth creatures are of great assistance to the seraphim in the more literal phases of their universe and planetary activities. Such morontia cherubim also perform many indispensable borderline tasks on the morontia training worlds and are assigned to the service of the Morontia Companions in large numbers. They are to the morontia spheres about what the midway creatures are to the evolutionary planets. On the inhabited worlds these morontia cherubim frequently work in liaison with the midway creatures. Cherubim and midway creatures are distinctly separate orders of beings; they have dissimilar origins, but they disclose great similarity in nature and function. 48:5.1 In the worlds of mortal existence the seraphim is ably assisted by cherubim and sanobim; but when her mortal ward is delivered from the bonds of the flesh and starts out on the ascendant career, when the postmaterial or morontia life begins, the attending seraphim has no further need of the ministrations of her former lieutenants, the cherubim and sanobim.
Looks to me as though morontia life begins upon resurrection, even though one’s immortal soul began to exist here, as a soul embryo.
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That seems to be the consensus. Thanks for the input Mara, and for the quote on the cherubim.
Richard E Warren
Are Urantian Midwayers considered morontia beings?
It would seem that if the Urantia Book indicates that we mortals are potential “ascending Sons of God”, then based on the other classifications, Midwayers would also be considered, at one point or another, the same as us mortal beings. Therefore, if we can be classified as or “considered morontia beings”, thereby can Midwayers also be “considered morontia beings.”
(424.1) 38:9.1 The midway creatures have a threefold classification: They are properly classified with the ascending Sons of God; they are factually grouped with the orders of permanent citizenship, while they are functionally reckoned with the ministering spirits of time because of their intimate and effective association with the angelic hosts in the work of serving mortal man on the individual worlds of space. (194.1) 16:8.1 The Universal Father bestows personality upon numerous orders of beings as they function on diverse levels of universe actuality. Urantia human beings are endowed with personality of the finite-mortal type, functioning on the level of the ascending sons of God. (223.6) 20:1.1 All descending Sons of God have high and divine origins. They are dedicated to the descending ministry of service on the worlds and systems of time and space, there to facilitate the progress in the Paradise climb of the lowly creatures of evolutionary origin — the ascending sons of God. Of the numerous orders of descending Sons, seven will be depicted in these narratives. Those Sons who come forth from the Deities on the central Isle of Light and Life are called the Paradise Sons of God and embrace the following three orders: (425.5) 38:9.13 Midwayers remain for long periods on an inhabited world, but if faithful to their trust, they will eventually and most certainly be recognized for their agelong service in maintaining the sovereignty of the Creator Son; they will be duly rewarded for their patient ministry to the material mortals on their world of time and space. Sooner or later all accredited midway creatures will be mustered into the ranks of the ascending Sons of God and will be duly initiated into the long adventure of the Paradise ascent in company with those very mortals of animal origin, their earth brethren, whom they so jealously guarded and so effectively served during the long planetary sojourn.
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We are taught ascenders can be physical, morontial, and spiritual. Thanks all, for the replies with quotes. Apparently we humans are not classified as morontia beings yet, tho we have on board a growing aspect of the morontial in the soul. It’s become obvious that the morontia spectrum extends from the first moral choice on the lowest worlds to the heights of Salvington. We are spiritual beings upon graduation from the local universe schools.
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Richard E Warren
Rick Warren wrote: Apparently we humans are not classified as morontia beings yet, tho we have on board a growing aspect of the morontial in the soul.
I think we can safely say that even though we are not actual morontia beings, we are capable of living the morontia life while still walking this earth. Our minds transcend our bodies. If the the morontia life begins with the conception of the soul; if after the third circle the mind begins the weaning process off the adjutant mind spirits; and if upon reaching the first circle the mind becomes increasingly like mind in the morontia state; then, soul evolution is a process of learning to live the morontia life while here on earth, not unlike the early mansion world experience would be.
110:6.20 From the seventh to the third circle there occurs increased and unified action of the seven adjutant mind-spirits in the task of weaning the mortal mind from its dependence on the realities of the material life mechanisms preparatory to increased introduction to morontia levels of experience. From the third circle onward the adjutant influence progressively diminishes.
110:6.21 The seven circles embrace mortal experience extending from the highest purely animal level to the lowest actual contactual morontia level of self-consciousness as a personality experience. The mastery of the first cosmic circle signalizes the attainment of premorontia mortal maturity and marks the termination of the conjoint ministry of the adjutant mind-spirits as an exclusive influence of mind action in the human personality. Beyond the first circle, mind becomes increasingly akin to the intelligence of the morontia stage of evolution, the conjoined ministry of the cosmic mind and the superadjutant endowment of the Creative Spirit of a local universe.
Is this a description of a mortal living the Morontia life?? Or maybe something more.
136.2.2When Jesus of Nazareth went down into the Jordan to be baptized, he was a mortal of the realm who had attained the pinnacle of human evolutionary ascension in all matters related to the conquest of mind and to self-identification with the spirit. He stood in the Jordan that day a perfected mortal of the evolutionary worlds of time and space. Perfect synchrony and full communication had become established between the mortal mind of Jesus and the indwelling spirit Adjuster, the divine gift of his Father in Paradise. And just such an Adjuster indwells all normal beings living on Urantia since the ascension of Michael to the headship of his universe, except that Jesus’ Adjuster had been previously prepared for this special mission by similarly indwelling another superhuman incarnated in the likeness of mortal flesh, Machiventa Melchizedek.
Gene wrote: Is this a description of a mortal living the Morontia life?? Or maybe something more.
Yeah. But a specific part of it. They’re describing the completion of the first psychic circle just prior to fusion. It’s a description of life just prior to attaining personal light and life. Jesus entered the first psychic circle on Mount Hermon in August 25 AD and finished it in January of 26 AD at his baptism.
134:8.4 Jesus spent the last three weeks of August and the first three weeks of September on Mount Hermon. During these weeks he finished the mortal task of achieving the circles of mind-understanding and personality-control. Throughout this period of communion with his heavenly Father the indwelling Adjuster also completed the assigned services. The mortal goal of this earth creature was there attained. Only the final phase of mind and Adjuster attunement remained to be consummated.
Although the psychic circles are not entirely morontial in nature, they are in part because they have to do with soul growth. Progress has to do with Adjuster attunement, but that can only be accomplished by becoming increasingly aware of the morontia soul and the spirit presence that lives there. Although this is rather simplistic, I think it is fair to say that doing God’s will is equivalent to living the morontia life here on earth . . . a heaven on earth sort of thing. (On earth as it is in heaven.)
110:6.3 The psychic circles are not exclusively intellectual, neither are they wholly morontial; they have to do with personality status, mind attainment, soul growth, and Adjuster attunement. The successful traversal of these levels demands the harmonious functioning of the entire personality, not merely of some one phase thereof. The growth of the parts does not equal the true maturation of the whole; the parts really grow in proportion to the expansion of the entire self—the whole self—material, intellectual, and spiritual.
I think we can safely say that even though we are not actual morontia beings, we are capable of living the morontia life while still walking this earth. Our minds transcend our bodies. If the the morontia life begins with the conception of the soul; if after the third circle the mind begins the weaning process off the adjutant mind spirits; and if upon reaching the first circle the mind becomes increasingly like mind in the morontia state; then, soul evolution is a process of learning to live the morontia life while here on earth, not unlike the early mansion world experience would be.
Sometimes it feels that way. Sometimes.
Richard E Warren
I think we can safely say that even though we are not actual morontia beings, we are capable of living the morontia life while still walking this earth. Our minds transcend our bodies. If the the morontia life begins with the conception of the soul; if after the third circle the mind begins the weaning process off the adjutant mind spirits; and if upon reaching the first circle the mind becomes increasingly like mind in the morontia state; then, soul evolution is a process of learning to live the morontia life while here on earth, not unlike the early mansion world experience would be.
Sometimes it feels that way. Sometimes.
yup, and once you have had that taste, no matter how brief – it’s a life changer.
