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INTERNATIONAL STUDY DAY Saturday 16th May 2015

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  1. (1782.1) 160:5.10 I see in the teachings of Jesus, religion at its best. This gospel enables us to seek for the true God and to find him. But are we willing to pay the price of this entrance into the kingdom of heaven? Are we willing to be born again? to be remade? Are we willing to be subject to this terrible and testing process of self-destruction and soul reconstruction? Has not the Master said: “Whoso would save his life must lose it. Think not that I have come to bring peace but rather a soul struggle”? True, after we pay the price of dedication to the Father’s will, we do experience great peace provided we continue to walk in these spiritual paths of consecrated living.

    I think the key here is continue to walk the path of Peace&Love.

    Praying for the forward momentum of Brotherhood on our world

  2. It makes me wonder if there is such a thing as a budding personality.  How can there be a “little” personality?

    This also struck me as strange…..the idea that man develops personality…..that it seems to be a by-product of his ability to communicate ideas and ideals…..which is an attribute of divinity. It appears to diverge from this earlier statement:

    Personality is potential in all creatures who possess a mind endowment ranging from the minimum of self-consciousness to the maximum of God-consciousness. But mind endowment alone is not personality, neither is spirit nor physical energy. Personality is that quality and value in cosmic reality which is exclusively bestowed by God the Father upon these living systems of the associated and co-ordinated energies of matter, mind, and spirit. Neither is personality a progressive achievement. Personality may be material or spiritual, but there either is personality or there is no personality. The other-than-personal never attains the level of the personal except by the direct act of the Paradise Father. (5.6:3)

    If personality is not a progressive achievement, how can it be developed? If it either is or isn’t, then how can one have a ‘little’ personality or an undeveloped personality. It is described as the one unchangeable thing in the midst of change.

    7. Personality is changeless in the presence of change. (112:0.2)

    Thanks for raising this Bonita!

  3. Hello again to my dear fellow students of The Urantia Book and my spiritual brethren in the Father’s universal family!

    Welcome to the third instalment of the reading for International Study Day 2015: Sections 4 and 5 of Paper 160, Rodan of Alexandria

    Thank you to all of you who have tuned in, and a special thanks to those who have been able to post a comment or two, or raise a question in the midst of their busy life schedule.

    We’ve only covered three sections of Paper 160 and already we’ve been given a banquet of spiritual and philosophical delicacies to feast on!

    Let’s proceed to the next course!

     

    4. The Balance of Maturity

    160:4.1

    While you have an eye single to the attainment of eternal realities, you must also make provision for the necessities of temporal living. While the spirit is our goal, the flesh is a fact. Occasionally the necessities of living may fall into our hands by accident, but in general, we must intelligently work for them. The two major problems of life are: making a temporal living and the achievement of eternal survival. And even the problem of making a living requires religion for its ideal solution. These are both highly personal problems. True religion, in fact, does not function apart from the individual.

    160:4.2

    The essentials of the temporal life, as I see them, are:

    160:4.3

    1. Good physical health.

    160:4.4

    2. Clear and clean thinking.

    160:4.5

    3. Ability and skill.

    160:4.6

    4. Wealth—the goods of life.

    160:4.7

    5. Ability to withstand defeat.

    160:4.8

    6. Culture—education and wisdom.

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    Even the physical problems of bodily health and efficiency are best solved when they are viewed from the religious standpoint of our Master’s teaching: That the body and mind of man are the dwelling place of the gift of the Gods, the spirit of God becoming the spirit of man. The mind of man thus becomes the mediator between material things and spiritual realities.

    160:4.10

    It requires intelligence to secure one’s share of the desirable things of life. It is wholly erroneous to suppose that faithfulness in doing one’s daily work will insure the rewards of wealth. Barring the occasional and accidental acquirement of wealth, the material rewards of the temporal life are found to flow in certain well-organized channels, and only those who have access to these channels may expect to be well rewarded for their temporal efforts. Poverty must ever be the lot of all men who seek for wealth in isolated and individual channels. Wise planning, therefore, becomes the one thing essential to worldly prosperity. Success requires not only devotion to one’s work but also that one should function as a part of some one of the channels of material wealth. If you are unwise, you can bestow a devoted life upon your generation without material reward; if you are an accidental beneficiary of the flow of wealth, you may roll in luxury even though you have done nothing worth while for your fellow men.

    160:4.11

    Ability is that which you inherit, while skill is what you acquire. Life is not real to one who cannot do some one thing well, expertly. Skill is one of the real sources of the satisfaction of living. Ability implies the gift of foresight, farseeing vision. Be not deceived by the tempting rewards of dishonest achievement; be willing to toil for the later returns inherent in honest endeavor. The wise man is able to distinguish between means and ends; otherwise, sometimes overplanning for the future defeats its own high purpose. As a pleasure seeker you should aim always to be a producer as well as a consumer.

    160:4.12

    Train your memory to hold in sacred trust the strength-giving and worth-while episodes of life, which you can recall at will for your pleasure and edification. Thus build up for yourself and in yourself reserve galleries of beauty, goodness, and artistic grandeur. But the noblest of all memories are the treasured recollections of the great moments of a superb friendship. And all of these memory treasures radiate their most precious and exalting influences under the releasing touch of spiritual worship.

    160:4.13

    But life will become a burden of existence unless you learn how to fail gracefully. There is an art in defeat which noble souls always acquire; you must know how to lose cheerfully; you must be fearless of disappointment. Never hesitate to admit failure. Make no attempt to hide failure under deceptive smiles and beaming optimism. It sounds well always to claim success, but the end results are appalling. Such a technique leads directly to the creation of a world of unreality and to the inevitable crash of ultimate disillusionment.

    160:4.14

    Success may generate courage and promote confidence, but wisdom comes only from the experiences of adjustment to the results of one’s failures. Men who prefer optimistic illusions to reality can never become wise. Only those who face facts and adjust them to ideals can achieve wisdom. Wisdom embraces both the fact and the ideal and therefore saves its devotees from both of those barren extremes of philosophy—the man whose idealism excludes facts and the materialist who is devoid of spiritual outlook. Those timid souls who can only keep up the struggle of life by the aid of continuous false illusions of success are doomed to suffer failure and experience defeat as they ultimately awaken from the dream world of their own imaginations.

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    And it is in this business of facing failure and adjusting to defeat that the far-reaching vision of religion exerts its supreme influence. Failure is simply an educational episode—a cultural experiment in the acquirement of wisdom—in the experience of the God-seeking man who has embarked on the eternal adventure of the exploration of a universe. To such men defeat is but a new tool for the achievement of higher levels of universe reality.

    160:4.16

    The career of a God-seeking man may prove to be a great success in the light of eternity, even though the whole temporal-life enterprise may appear as an overwhelming failure, provided each life failure yielded the culture of wisdom and spirit achievement. Do not make the mistake of confusing knowledge, culture, and wisdom. They are related in life, but they represent vastly differing spirit values; wisdom ever dominates knowledge and always glorifies culture.

    5. The Religion of the Ideal

    160:5.1

    You have told me that your Master regards genuine human religion as the individual’s experience with spiritual realities. I have regarded religion as man’s experience of reacting to something which he regards as being worthy of the homage and devotion of all mankind. In this sense, religion symbolizes our supreme devotion to that which represents our highest concept of the ideals of reality and the farthest reach of our minds toward eternal possibilities of spiritual attainment.

    160:5.2

    When men react to religion in the tribal, national, or racial sense, it is because they look upon those without their group as not being truly human. We always look upon the object of our religious loyalty as being worthy of the reverence of all men. Religion can never be a matter of mere intellectual belief or philosophic reasoning; religion is always and forever a mode of reacting to the situations of life; it is a species of conduct. Religion embraces thinking, feeling, and acting reverently toward some reality which we deem worthy of universal adoration.

    160:5.3

    If something has become a religion in your experience, it is self-evident that you already have become an active evangel of that religion since you deem the supreme concept of your religion as being worthy of the worship of all mankind, all universe intelligences. If you are not a positive and missionary evangel of your religion, you are self-deceived in that what you call a religion is only a traditional belief or a mere system of intellectual philosophy. If your religion is a spiritual experience, your object of worship must be the universal spirit reality and ideal of all your spiritualized concepts. All religions based on fear, emotion, tradition, and philosophy I term the intellectual religions, while those based on true spirit experience I would term the true religions. The object of religious devotion may be material or spiritual, true or false, real or unreal, human or divine. Religions can therefore be either good or evil.

    160:5.4

    Morality and religion are not necessarily the same. A system of morals, by grasping an object of worship, may become a religion. A religion, by losing its universal appeal to loyalty and supreme devotion, may evolve into a system of philosophy or a code of morals. This thing, being, state, or order of existence, or possibility of attainment which constitutes the supreme ideal of religious loyalty, and which is the recipient of the religious devotion of those who worship, is God. Regardless of the name applied to this ideal of spirit reality, it is God.

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    The social characteristics of a true religion consist in the fact that it invariably seeks to convert the individual and to transform the world. Religion implies the existence of undiscovered ideals which far transcend the known standards of ethics and morality embodied in even the highest social usages of the most mature institutions of civilization. Religion reaches out for undiscovered ideals, unexplored realities, superhuman values, divine wisdom, and true spirit attainment. True religion does all of this; all other beliefs are not worthy of the name. You cannot have a genuine spiritual religion without the supreme and supernal ideal of an eternal God. A religion without this God is an invention of man, a human institution of lifeless intellectual beliefs and meaningless emotional ceremonies. A religion might claim as the object of its devotion a great ideal. But such ideals of unreality are not attainable; such a concept is illusionary. The only ideals susceptible of human attainment are the divine realities of the infinite values resident in the spiritual fact of the eternal God.

    160:5.6

    The word God, the idea of God as contrasted with the ideal of God, can become a part of any religion, no matter how puerile or false that religion may chance to be. And this idea of God can become anything which those who entertain it may choose to make it. The lower religions shape their ideas of God to meet the natural state of the human heart; the higher religions demand that the human heart shall be changed to meet the demands of the ideals of true religion.

    160:5.7

    The religion of Jesus transcends all our former concepts of the idea of worship in that he not only portrays his Father as the ideal of infinite reality but positively declares that this divine source of values and the eternal center of the universe is truly and personally attainable by every mortal creature who chooses to enter the kingdom of heaven on earth, thereby acknowledging the acceptance of sonship with God and brotherhood with man. That, I submit, is the highest concept of religion the world has ever known, and I pronounce that there can never be a higher since this gospel embraces the infinity of realities, the divinity of values, and the eternity of universal attainments. Such a concept constitutes the achievement of the experience of the idealism of the supreme and the ultimate.

    160:5.8

    I am not only intrigued by the consummate ideals of this religion of your Master, but I am mightily moved to profess my belief in his announcement that these ideals of spirit realities are attainable; that you and I can enter upon this long and eternal adventure with his assurance of the certainty of our ultimate arrival at the portals of Paradise. My brethren, I am a believer, I have embarked; I am on my way with you in this eternal venture. The Master says he came from the Father, and that he will show us the way. I am fully persuaded he speaks the truth. I am finally convinced that there are no attainable ideals of reality or values of perfection apart from the eternal and Universal Father.

    160:5.9

    I come, then, to worship, not merely the God of existences, but the God of the possibility of all future existences. Therefore must your devotion to a supreme ideal, if that ideal is real, be devotion to this God of past, present, and future universes of things and beings. And there is no other God, for there cannot possibly be any other God. All other gods are figments of the imagination, illusions of mortal mind, distortions of false logic, and the self-deceptive idols of those who create them. Yes, you can have a religion without this God, but it does not mean anything. And if you seek to substitute the word God for the reality of this ideal of the living God, you have only deluded yourself by putting an idea in the place of an ideal, a divine reality. Such beliefs are merely religions of wishful fancy.

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    I see in the teachings of Jesus, religion at its best. This gospel enables us to seek for the true God and to find him. But are we willing to pay the price of this entrance into the kingdom of heaven? Are we willing to be born again? to be remade? Are we willing to be subject to this terrible and testing process of self-destruction and soul reconstruction? Has not the Master said: “Whoso would save his life must lose it. Think not that I have come to bring peace but rather a soul struggle”? True, after we pay the price of dedication to the Father’s will, we do experience great peace provided we continue to walk in these spiritual paths of consecrated living.

    160:5.11

    Now are we truly forsaking the lures of the known order of existence while we unreservedly dedicate our quest to the lures of the unknown and unexplored order of the existence of a future life of adventure in the spirit worlds of the higher idealism of divine reality. And we seek for those symbols of meaning wherewith to convey to our fellow men these concepts of the reality of the idealism of the religion of Jesus, and we will not cease to pray for that day when all mankind shall be thrilled by the communal vision of this supreme truth. Just now, our focalized concept of the Father, as held in our hearts, is that God is spirit; as conveyed to our fellows, that God is love.

    160:5.12

    The religion of Jesus demands living and spiritual experience. Other religions may consist in traditional beliefs, emotional feelings, philosophic consciousness, and all of that, but the teaching of the Master requires the attainment of actual levels of real spirit progression.

    160:5.13

    The consciousness of the impulse to be like God is not true religion. The feelings of the emotion to worship God are not true religion. The knowledge of the conviction to forsake self and serve God is not true religion. The wisdom of the reasoning that this religion is the best of all is not religion as a personal and spiritual experience. True religion has reference to destiny and reality of attainment as well as to the reality and idealism of that which is wholeheartedly faith-accepted. And all of this must be made personal to us by the revelation of the Spirit of Truth.

    160:5.14

    And thus ended the dissertations of the Greek philosopher, one of the greatest of his race, who had become a believer in the gospel of Jesus.

     

    Here are the points that I would like to emphasize in Section 4, The Balance of Maturity:

    Rodan now seeks to put things in perspective….to highlight the need for balance!! He has just warned us at the end of the preceding section to beware of becoming fanatical. He now elaborates by making a simple statement:  The two major problems of life are: making a temporal living and the achievement of eternal survival.

    Are these mutually exclusive? Is it possible to be successful in our temporal life while also achieving the goal of eternal survival? Rodan says it is but it is something that we have to work out as an individual…..it is highly personal.

    Indeed, living the religion of the Master gives us a mighty advantage in tackling life’s temporal problems.

    Rodan gives us some very practical worldly advice: Barring the occasional and accidental acquirement of wealth, the material rewards of the temporal life are found to flow in certain well-organized channels, and only those who have access to these channels may expect to be well rewarded for their temporal efforts.

    What is Rodan referring to there? What are these “well-organized channels”?

    He recommends that we develop a skill….something that we are good at. Ability may set limits on our potential but skill can always be acquired. Don’t seek for easy, dishonest wealth. An honest day’s work may not pay that well but it will help you to sleep better at night. He seems to be implying that work should be a means to an end rather than the end itself. Keeping an eye always on the higher life.

    Rodan redefines success and failure: Failure is simply an educational episode—a cultural experiment in the acquirement of wisdom—in the experience of the God-seeking man who has embarked on the eternal adventure of the exploration of a universe. To such men defeat is but a new tool for the achievement of higher levels of universe reality.

    The career of a God-seeking man may prove to be a great success in the light of eternity, even though the whole temporal-life enterprise may appear as an overwhelming failure, provided each life failure yielded the culture of wisdom and spirit achievement.

    Here are my impressions from Section 5, The Religion of the Ideal:

    Rodan defines religion as symbolic of our supreme devotion to that which represents our highest concept of the ideals of reality and the farthest reach of our minds toward eternal possibilities of spiritual attainment.

    Based on that definition….The object of religious devotion may be material or spiritual, true or false, real or unreal, human or divine. Religions can therefore be either good or evil.

    The lower religions shape their ideas of God to meet the natural state of the human heart; (we make God in our image) the higher religions demand that the human heart shall be changed to meet the demands of the ideals of true religion.

    Rodan now comes to the climax of his presentation: The religion of Jesus transcends all our former concepts of the idea of worship in that he not only portrays his Father as the ideal of infinite reality but positively declares that this divine source of values and the eternal center of the universe is truly and personally attainable by every mortal creature who chooses to enter the kingdom of heaven on earth, thereby acknowledging the acceptance of sonship with God and brotherhood with man.

    Rodan declares with absolute confidence: That, I submit, is the highest concept of religion the world has ever known….

    A religion without God, a religion that substitutes the word God for the reality of this ideal of the living God, is a delusion, a religion of wishful fancy.

    But there is a price to pay for entrance to this religion of Jesus: I see in the teachings of Jesus, religion at its best. This gospel enables us to seek for the true God and to find him. But are we willing to pay the price of this entrance into the kingdom of heaven? Are we willing to be born again? to be remade? Are we willing to be subject to this terrible and testing process of self-destruction and soul reconstruction? Sobering questions indeed!

    Now are we truly forsaking the lures of the known order of existence while we unreservedly dedicate our quest to the lures of the unknown and unexplored order of the existence of a future life of adventure in the spirit worlds of the higher idealism of divine reality. What a profound declaration of personal devotion and intention!

    And finally….The religion of Jesus demands living and spiritual experience. Other religions may consist in traditional beliefs, emotional feelings, philosophic consciousness, and all of that, but the teaching of the Master requires the attainment of actual levels of real spirit progression.

    I await your most welcome comments and questions!  :-)

     

     

     

  4. Julian wrote:

    “This also struck me as strange… the idea that man develops personality… that it seems to be a by-product of his ability to communicate ideas and ideals…. which is an attribute of divinity. It appears to diverge from…”

    Thinking about the next section, Paper 161 Section 1, does Rodan’s confusion help to illustrate how personality is something that does not fit into the “full philosophic limit” (1141.5, 103:9.7) of his intellectual insight?

    “… and then goes on with wisdom to the full philosophic limit; and then it dares to launch out…” (1141.5, 103:9.7)

    Nigel

  5. Greetings Julian, Fellow Ascenders,

    Thanks Julian, for picking up the host role for this year’s ISD. Much appreciate the depth of insight you add.

    I didn’t really appreciate Rodan until the last reading of his two Papers. Evidently he was astonishingly well informed, and quick to catch on. It was amazing that the Master granted him such trust and latitude with his followers.

    To the question of ‘developing personality’, it seems like the authors, in toto, indicate we grow, thru experience, into our personalities rather than the personality being expanded as we grow.

    Much love, Rick

    Richard E Warren

  6. Nigel – what a perfect observation to make !  Is that what made Rodan restless and prompted him to seek for more knowledge and answers?

    After all it is a philosophers task to keep probing deeper and deeper into those questions that reveal truth and meaning. At some point, Rodan must have reached a limit that left him un-satisfied and ‘lured’ him to search out for that which was hidden from him – until he found one of Abner’ teacher in Alexandria and then undertook that journey to meet the Master himself. What dedication to the cause of being true to himself…………..or is it the only way out of the deep nagging in his heart and mind??
    We surmised in our group yesterday, that Jesus well knew his excellent mind and swiftly made use of the opportunity to expand the apostles skills both in listening to him and teaching about the kingdom in return. It must have been disappointing for Rodan not to have that personal ‘audience’ and discussion with the Master, but he surmounted that apparent defeat...(specially since hie expressed his admiration of the way Jesus went ‘apart to commune with his father’ and well knew that is where Jesus was heading at that time.) and delivered these marvelous presentations over the next few days.

    In that last paragraph where he states what Religion  is NOT  is so powerful. Is it this what he has finally discovered ..?
    ……………..True religion has reference to destiny and reality of attainment as well as to the reality and idealism of that which is wholeheartedly faith-accepted.

    He so urges us on to reach for what is beyond………..beyond or wildest dreams and ideas, beyond what we understand now and what could become – according to the Fathers intentions.

    I wonder often, if we in a certain measure make real of what has not been yet………..

    Thank you so much Julian for your postings and specially the summaries . They invite us to re read the paper over and over again to internalize all those clear statements about so much that is totally relevant today.

    Yes, what a thrill to find in the UB ………Rodan’s (a contemporary of Jesus)  inner life-work for us to marvel at and learn from.

    with many thanks too to all that have joined us over the weekend – we appreciate your commitment and friendship

    Rita

     

     

     

     

  7. Thank you Nigel! That thought launches us beautifully into the fourth and final instalment of the reading for International Study Day 2015: Sections 1, 2, and 3 of Paper 161, Further Discussions with Rodan

    Welcome once again all you enthusiastic readers to the conclusion of this extraordinary study of the philosophical ideas and ideals of Rodan of Alexandria. Having concluded the reading of Paper 160, I personally feel a real affinity for this most sincere, truth-seeking Greek disciple of the Master. In Paper 161, we see him reasoning with Thomas and Nathaniel about a number of difficult theological concepts, including the Personality of God and the Divine nature of Jesus.

    Let’s commence the reading!

     

    Paper 161

    Further Discussions with Rodan

    ON SUNDAY, September 25, A.D. 29, the apostles and the evangelists assembled at Magadan. After a long conference that evening with his associates, Jesus surprised all by announcing that early the next day he and the twelve apostles would start for Jerusalem to attend the feast of tabernacles. He directed that the evangelists visit the believers in Galilee, and that the women’s corps return for a while to Bethsaida.

    161:0.2

    When the hour came to leave for Jerusalem, Nathaniel and Thomas were still in the midst of their discussions with Rodan of Alexandria, and they secured the Master’s permission to remain at Magadan for a few days. And so, while Jesus and the ten were on their way to Jerusalem, Nathaniel and Thomas were engaged in earnest debate with Rodan. The week prior, in which Rodan had expounded his philosophy, Thomas and Nathaniel had alternated in presenting the gospel of the kingdom to the Greek philosopher. Rodan discovered that he had been well instructed in Jesus’ teachings by one of the former apostles of John the Baptist who had been his teacher at Alexandria.

    1. The Personality of God

    161:1.1

    There was one matter on which Rodan and the two apostles did not see alike, and that was the personality of God. Rodan readily accepted all that was presented to him regarding the attributes of God, but he contended that the Father in heaven is not, cannot be, a person as man conceives personality. While the apostles found themselves in difficulty trying to prove that God is a person, Rodan found it still more difficult to prove he is not a person.

    161:1.2

    Rodan contended that the fact of personality consists in the coexistent fact of full and mutual communication between beings of equality, beings who are capable of sympathetic understanding. Said Rodan: “In order to be a person, God must have symbols of spirit communication which would enable him to become fully understood by those who make contact with him. But since God is infinite and eternal, the Creator of all other beings, it follows that, as regards beings of equality, God is alone in the universe. There are none equal to him; there are none with whom he can communicate as an equal. God indeed may be the source of all personality, but as such he is transcendent to personality, even as the Creator is above and beyond the creature.”

    161:1.3

    This contention greatly troubled Thomas and Nathaniel, and they had asked Jesus to come to their rescue, but the Master refused to enter into their discussions. He did say to Thomas: “It matters little what idea of the Father you may entertain as long as you are spiritually acquainted with the ideal of his infinite and eternal nature.”

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    Thomas contended that God does communicate with man, and therefore that the Father is a person, even within the definition of Rodan. This the Greek rejected on the ground that God does not reveal himself personally; that he is still a mystery. Then Nathaniel appealed to his own personal experience with God, and that Rodan allowed, affirming that he had recently had similar experiences, but these experiences, he contended, proved only the reality of God, not his personality.

    161:1.5

    By Monday night Thomas gave up. But by Tuesday night Nathaniel had won Rodan to believe in the personality of the Father, and he effected this change in the Greek’s views by the following steps of reasoning:

    161:1.6

    1. The Father in Paradise does enjoy equality of communication with at least two other beings who are fully equal to himself and wholly like himself—the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit. In view of the doctrine of the Trinity, the Greek was compelled to concede the personality possibility of the Universal Father. (It was the later consideration of these discussions which led to the enlarged conception of the Trinity in the minds of the twelve apostles. Of course, it was the general belief that Jesus was the Eternal Son.)

    161:1.7

    2. Since Jesus was equal with the Father, and since this Son had achieved the manifestation of personality to his earth children, such a phenomenon constituted proof of the fact, and demonstration of the possibility, of the possession of personality by all three of the Godheads and forever settled the question regarding the ability of God to communicate with man and the possibility of man’s communicating with God.

    161:1.8

    3. That Jesus was on terms of mutual association and perfect communication with man; that Jesus was the Son of God. That the relation of Son and Father presupposes equality of communication and mutuality of sympathetic understanding; that Jesus and the Father were one. That Jesus maintained at one and the same time understanding communication with both God and man, and that, since both God and man comprehended the meaning of the symbols of Jesus’ communication, both God and man possessed the attributes of personality in so far as the requirements of the ability of intercommunication were concerned. That the personality of Jesus demonstrated the personality of God, while it proved conclusively the presence of God in man. That two things which are related to the same thing are related to each other.

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    4. That personality represents man’s highest concept of human reality and divine values; that God also represents man’s highest concept of divine reality and infinite values; therefore, that God must be a divine and infinite personality, a personality in reality although infinitely and eternally transcending man’s concept and definition of personality, but nevertheless always and universally a personality.

    161:1.10

    5. That God must be a personality since he is the Creator of all personality and the destiny of all personality. Rodan had been tremendously influenced by the teaching of Jesus, “Be you therefore perfect, even as your Father in heaven is perfect.”

    161:1.11

    When Rodan heard these arguments, he said: “I am convinced. I will confess God as a person if you will permit me to qualify my confession of such a belief by attaching to the meaning of personality a group of extended values, such as superhuman, transcendent, supreme, infinite, eternal, final, and universal. I am now convinced that, while God must be infinitely more than a personality, he cannot be anything less. I am satisfied to end the argument and to accept Jesus as the personal revelation of the Father and the satisfaction of all unsatisfied factors in logic, reason, and philosophy.”

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    2. The Divine Nature of Jesus

    161:2.1

    Since Nathaniel and Thomas had so fully approved Rodan’s views of the gospel of the kingdom, there remained only one more point to consider, the teaching dealing with the divine nature of Jesus, a doctrine only so recently publicly announced. Nathaniel and Thomas jointly presented their views of the divine nature of the Master, and the following narrative is a condensed, rearranged, and restated presentation of their teaching:

    161:2.2

    1. Jesus has admitted his divinity, and we believe him. Many remarkable things have happened in connection with his ministry which we can understand only by believing that he is the Son of God as well as the Son of Man.

    161:2.3

    2. His life association with us exemplifies the ideal of human friendship; only a divine being could possibly be such a human friend. He is the most truly unselfish person we have ever known. He is the friend even of sinners; he dares to love his enemies. He is very loyal to us. While he does not hesitate to reprove us, it is plain to all that he truly loves us. The better you know him, the more you will love him. You will be charmed by his unswerving devotion. Through all these years of our failure to comprehend his mission, he has been a faithful friend. While he makes no use of flattery, he does treat us all with equal kindness; he is invariably tender and compassionate. He has shared his life and everything else with us. We are a happy community; we share all things in common. We do not believe that a mere human could live such a blameless life under such trying circumstances.

    161:2.4

    3. We think Jesus is divine because he never does wrong; he makes no mistakes. His wisdom is extraordinary; his piety superb. He lives day by day in perfect accord with the Father’s will. He never repents of misdeeds because he transgresses none of the Father’s laws. He prays for us and with us, but he never asks us to pray for him. We believe that he is consistently sinless. We do not think that one who is only human ever professed to live such a life. He claims to live a perfect life, and we acknowledge that he does. Our piety springs from repentance, but his piety springs from righteousness. He even professes to forgive sins and does heal diseases. No mere man would sanely profess to forgive sin; that is a divine prerogative. And he has seemed to be thus perfect in his righteousness from the times of our first contact with him. We grow in grace and in the knowledge of the truth, but our Master exhibits maturity of righteousness to start with. All men, good and evil, recognize these elements of goodness in Jesus. And yet never is his piety obtrusive or ostentatious. He is both meek and fearless. He seems to approve of our belief in his divinity. He is either what he professes to be, or else he is the greatest hypocrite and fraud the world has ever known. We are persuaded that he is just what he claims to be.

    161:2.5

    4. The uniqueness of his character and the perfection of his emotional control convince us that he is a combination of humanity and divinity. He unfailingly responds to the spectacle of human need; suffering never fails to appeal to him. His compassion is moved alike by physical suffering, mental anguish, or spiritual sorrow. He is quick to recognize and generous to acknowledge the presence of faith or any other grace in his fellow men. He is so just and fair and at the same time so merciful and considerate. He grieves over the spiritual obstinacy of the people and rejoices when they consent to see the light of truth.

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    5. He seems to know the thoughts of men’s minds and to understand the longings of their hearts. And he is always sympathetic with our troubled spirits. He seems to possess all our human emotions, but they are magnificently glorified. He strongly loves goodness and equally hates sin. He possesses a superhuman consciousness of the presence of Deity. He prays like a man but performs like a God. He seems to foreknow things; he even now dares to speak about his death, some mystic reference to his future glorification. While he is kind, he is also brave and courageous. He never falters in doing his duty.

    161:2.7

    6. We are constantly impressed by the phenomenon of his superhuman knowledge. Hardly does a day pass but something transpires to disclose that the Master knows what is going on away from his immediate presence. He also seems to know about the thoughts of his associates. He undoubtedly has communion with celestial personalities; he unquestionably lives on a spiritual plane far above the rest of us. Everything seems to be open to his unique understanding. He asks us questions to draw us out, not to gain information.

    161:2.8

    7. Recently the Master does not hesitate to assert his superhumanity. From the day of our ordination as apostles right on down to recent times, he has never denied that he came from the Father above. He speaks with the authority of a divine teacher. The Master does not hesitate to refute the religious teachings of today and to declare the new gospel with positive authority. He is assertive, positive, and authoritative. Even John the Baptist, when he heard Jesus speak, declared that he was the Son of God. He seems to be so sufficient within himself. He craves not the support of the multitude; he is indifferent to the opinions of men. He is brave and yet so free from pride.

    161:2.9

    8. He constantly talks about God as an ever-present associate in all that he does. He goes about doing good, for God seems to be in him. He makes the most astounding assertions about himself and his mission on earth, statements which would be absurd if he were not divine. He once declared, “Before Abraham was, I am.” He has definitely claimed divinity; he professes to be in partnership with God. He well-nigh exhausts the possibilities of language in the reiteration of his claims of intimate association with the heavenly Father. He even dares to assert that he and the Father are one. He says that anyone who has seen him has seen the Father. And he says and does all these tremendous things with such childlike naturalness. He alludes to his association with the Father in the same manner that he refers to his association with us. He seems to be so sure about God and speaks of these relations in such a matter-of-fact way.

    161:2.10

    9. In his prayer life he appears to communicate directly with his Father. We have heard few of his prayers, but these few would indicate that he talks with God, as it were, face to face. He seems to know the future as well as the past. He simply could not be all of this and do all of these extraordinary things unless he were something more than human. We know he is human, we are sure of that, but we are almost equally sure that he is also divine. We believe that he is divine. We are convinced that he is the Son of Man and the Son of God.

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    When Nathaniel and Thomas had concluded their conferences with Rodan, they hurried on toward Jerusalem to join their fellow apostles, arriving on Friday of that week. This had been a great experience in the lives of all three of these believers, and the other apostles learned much from the recounting of these experiences by Nathaniel and Thomas.

    161:2.12

    Rodan made his way back to Alexandria, where he long taught his philosophy in the school of Meganta. He became a mighty man in the later affairs of the kingdom of heaven; he was a faithful believer to the end of his earth days, yielding up his life in Greece with others when the persecutions were at their height.

    3. Jesus’ Human and Divine Minds

    161:3.1

    Consciousness of divinity was a gradual growth in the mind of Jesus up to the occasion of his baptism. After he became fully self-conscious of his divine nature, prehuman existence, and universe prerogatives, he seems to have possessed the power of variously limiting his human consciousness of his divinity. It appears to us that from his baptism until the crucifixion it was entirely optional with Jesus whether to depend only on the human mind or to utilize the knowledge of both the human and the divine minds. At times he appeared to avail himself of only that information which was resident in the human intellect. On other occasions he appeared to act with such fullness of knowledge and wisdom as could be afforded only by the utilization of the superhuman content of his divine consciousness.

    161:3.2

    We can understand his unique performances only by accepting the theory that he could, at will, self-limit his divinity consciousness. We are fully cognizant that he frequently withheld from his associates his foreknowledge of events, and that he was aware of the nature of their thinking and planning. We understand that he did not wish his followers to know too fully that he was able to discern their thoughts and to penetrate their plans. He did not desire too far to transcend the concept of the human as it was held in the minds of his apostles and disciples.

    161:3.3

    We are utterly at a loss to differentiate between his practice of self-limiting his divine consciousness and his technique of concealing his preknowledge and thought discernment from his human associates. We are convinced that he used both of these techniques, but we are not always able, in a given instance, to specify which method he may have employed. We frequently observed him acting with only the human content of consciousness; then would we behold him in conference with the directors of the celestial hosts of the universe and discern the undoubted functioning of the divine mind. And then on almost numberless occasions did we witness the working of this combined personality of man and God as it was activated by the apparent perfect union of the human and the divine minds. This is the limit of our knowledge of such phenomena; we really do not actually know the full truth about this mystery.

     

    There are several aspects to this Paper that I find interesting. Firstly, even though Thomas and Nathaniel were troubled by Rodan’s reasoning regarding the impossibility of God having personality because he had no equals to communicate with, Jesus still declined to come to their rescue. His response to Thomas…..“It matters little what idea of the Father you may entertain as long as you are spiritually acquainted with the ideal of his infinite and eternal nature.”…..reminds us that it is not necessary that we should convince people intellectually about the correct idea about God. What matters is that they come to appreciate at a spiritual level the ideals regarding his attributes, particularly his infinite and eternal nature.

    Secondly, Rodan was eventually convinced by Nathaniel’s reasoning regarding the personality of God but asked to add some extended values that helped him to grasp it at a personal level for him. He was then able to say with confidence:  I am now convinced that, while God must be infinitely more than a personality, he cannot be anything less.

    Thirdly, it is delightfully revealing to read the views presented by Nathaniel and Thomas to Rodan in support of their belief, so recently announced, concerning the divine nature of Jesus. They speak from firsthand experience as personal eye-witnesses of their intimate relationship with this Son of God and Son of Man. It reads like excerpts from their personal diary account. What a magnificent description of the Master’s character, his perfect blending of both the human and divine qualities of his twofold personality.

    And finally, the very candid discussion by the Midwayers regarding Jesus’ ability to limit his human consciousness of his divinity. They admit that there is much about Jesus’ selective use of his divine and human minds that they are not sure about:  We can understand his unique performances only by accepting the theory that he could, at will, self-limit his divinity consciousness.

    But…..We are utterly at a loss to differentiate between his practice of self-limiting his divine consciousness and his technique of concealing his preknowledge and thought discernment from his human associates.

    And in conclusion…..We frequently observed him acting with only the human content of consciousness; then would we behold him in conference with the directors of the celestial hosts of the universe and discern the undoubted functioning of the divine mind. And then on almost numberless occasions did we witness the working of this combined personality of man and God as it was activated by the apparent perfect union of the human and the divine minds. This is the limit of our knowledge of such phenomena; we really do not actually know the full truth about this mystery.

    How refreshing to hear our closely-related invisible friends declare the limits of their own comprehension!

    I now invite you to share your thoughts about this superb Paper. Feel free to comment or ask any questions that might promote further discussion. For me, the weekend is almost over but for many of my fellow readers, Sunday has only just begun.

    Thank you for joining with me as part of this worldwide online study group. I hope it has been a rewarding experience for you.  :-)

     

  8. Rick Warren wrote: To the question of ‘developing personality’, it seems like the authors, in toto, indicate we grow, thru experience, into our personalities rather than the personality being expanded as we grow.

    I agree with that to a certain extent.  Personalities don’t change but the character of the personality is meant to constantly grow.

    The point I was trying to make is that Rodan very quickly latched onto the fact that mind is what allows the character of the personality to develop.  He said that we develop our personalities because we can communicate ideas and ideals. (160:2.2)  The process begins with mind ministry and is shared by personality with other personalities (socialization of the personality), and as we learn to share our highest ideals, we become more developed as a personality, more spiritually mature (evolution of the Supreme).

    What I was attempting to highlight is the importance of the adjutant mind spirits in this adventure of communicating ideas and personality development, that mind is the soil from with which our growth and development comes.  We all know that the Adjuster is the source of our highest ideals, but without mind to interpret and form ideas worth communicating to one another, none of this would happen.  There is a constant flow between the human and superhuman (soul) level of mind, and Rodan does a wonderful job of highlighting that process for us.  He also explains in depth how to assure its growth and development.  This process of personality development is not just a way of living, but a way of thinking, and our thinking must learn to discover, recognize and interpret Adjuster-derived ideals.

    On another thread we discussed the ideological challenges of our current age, and it seems that the greatest challenge is to find an ideal way of thinking, a way to communicate and share those thoughts and a way to live them.  Yet we are warned by Rodan that we should learn to recognize the difference between human ideas and Adjuster-derived ideals.  Only the ideal of the living God will bring us through this ideological struggle of warring human ideas we experience today.  When it comes down to it, our highest ideals are what is real.  We slowly learn that many of our ideas about life are disappointing because they are not real, their source is not the living God.

    160:5.9 And if you seek to substitute the word God for the reality of this ideal of the living God, you have only deluded yourself by putting an idea in the place of an ideal, a divine reality.

     

  9. While reading section 1 of paper 161 (The Personality of God), I was struck by the shadowy and partial understanding they all shared regarding personality, even after they came to that adjusted agreement (1784.8, 161:1.11):

    When Rodan heard these arguments, he said:
    I am convinced. I will confess God as a person if you will permit…

    Which made me wonder — in the 2,000 years since, have we made any progress in understanding personality?  To get a feel for why understanding personality might be so hard, think of something less unfamiliar, for example, the experience of the spiritualization of our thinking.

    No student of the UB would be confused by the notion that part of our Adjuster’s business is somehow to “spiritualize our thinking“, to shift the roots of our motivation from ideas to ideals.  But how many of us ponder the Father’s other business, that of “personalizing our spirit“?

    The UB authors describe personality in a way that it has never been described before.  For them, personality is not merely some miraculous achievement or extension of mind or spirit.  They reveal personality to be that distinct part of eternal reality which the First Source and Center was not able to entrust to anyone.  Matter, mind and spirit are all handled perfectly by (4) Paradise, (3) Infinite Spirit and (2) Eternal Son.  But personality?  The I AM’ness of personality puts it in a league of its own  :-)

    Likewise, the UB reveals “Personalized Adjusters” to be in a class of their own.

    But then, are we not intended to be Adjusters personalized by the human technique?

    Thanks Julian and all for provoking such reflections!

    Nigel

  10. Thank you Bonita and Nigel for your thought provoking comments on this endlessly interesting and often perplexing subject of personality. Perhaps it’s time for another separate thread on the nature of personality even though it’s been discussed many times before. There are so many angles to view it from. How is it possible to develop personality or to have a little personality? You have both begun to answer these questions.

  11. Thanks Julian!  Now, getting back to Rodan…

    I’m intrigued that Jesus did not directly engage with this man, “one of the greatest of his race” (1782.5, 160:5.14).

    Do you think Jesus might have been using this opportunity to see how the best and brightest of contemporary mortal minds would respond to his apostles’ current version of the good news?

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