lmao. Okay, Mary 
You were out in the weeds.
BB
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Humanity is on the verge of a global nuclear war
73 posts · 9 participants · started Sep 3, 2017, 3:02 PM
Debate didn’t prevent war.
70:5.5[Part III]It has been hard for mankind to learn that neither peace nor war can be run by a debating society. The primitive “palavers” were seldom useful. The race early learned that an army commanded by a group of clan heads had no chance against a strong one-man army. War has always been a kingmaker.And debate can’t keep the peace!Why war?
111:4.10[Part III]Ideas may take origin in the stimuli of the outer world, but ideals are born only in the creative realms of the inner world. Today the nations of the world are directed by men who have a superabundance of ideas, but they are poverty-stricken in ideals. That is the explanation of poverty, divorce, war, and racial hatreds.111:4.11 [Part III]This is the problem: If freewill man is endowed with the powers of creativity in the inner man, then must we recognize that freewill creativity embraces the potential of freewill destructivity. And when creativity is turned to destructivity, you are face to face with the devastation of evil and sin — oppression, war, and destruction. Evil is a partiality of creativity which tends toward disintegration and eventual destruction. All conflict is evil in that it inhibits the creative function of the inner life — it is a species of civil war in the personality.- What you know about this, Mara?
War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
War, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, why’allWar, huh, good god
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing, listen to meOh, war, I despise
‘Cause it means destruction of innocent livesWar means tears to thousands of mothers eyes
When their sons go to fight
And lose their livesI said, war, huh good god, why’all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing say it againWar, whoa, lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing, listen to meit ain’t nothing but a heart-breaker
(War) friend only to the undertaker
Oh, war it’s an enemy to all mankind
The point of war blows my mind
War has caused unrest
Within the younger generation
Induction then destruction
Who wants to die, ah, war-huh, good god why’all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it, say it, say it
War, huh
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing listen to meit ain’t nothing but a heart breaker
(War) it’s got one friend that’s the undertaker
Oh, war, has shattered many a young mans dreams
Made him disabled, bitter and mean
Life is much to short and precious
To spend fighting wars these days
War can’t give life
It can only take it awayOh, war, huh good god why’all
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing say it againwhoa, lord
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing listen to meit ain’t nothing but a heart breaker
(War) friend only to the undertaker
Peace, love and understanding
Tell me, is there no place for them today
They say we must fight to keep our freedom
But lord knows there’s got to be a better wayOh, war, huh good god why’all
What is it good for you tell me
Say it, say it, say it, say ithuh good god why’all
What is it good for
Stand up and shout it nothingCredits:Songwriters: Barret Strong / Norman WhitfieldWar lyrics © Sony/ATV Music Publishing LLCWhy war?
111:4.10[Part III]Ideas may take origin in the stimuli of the outer world, but ideals are born only in the creative realms of the inner world. Today the nations of the world are directed by men who have a superabundance of ideas, but they are poverty-stricken in ideals. That is the explanation of poverty, divorce, war, and racial hatreds.BB
Personally, I am horrified by the ravages of war. The images are unbearable. As far as I’m concerned, there are no winners. No one wins. Our civilizations are in troublous times.
- Agreed
Personally, I am horrified by the ravages of war. The images are unbearable. As far as I’m concerned, there are no winners. No one wins. Our civilizations are in troublous times.
BB
But,
32:5.2 The events of time and the struggles of material existence are but the transient scaffolding which bridges over to the other side, to the promised land of spiritual reality and supernal existence.
In the meantime, we must do what we can in the here and now to comfort those who’ve experienced the grief of war. We have to do the footwork to help our wounded brethren, if we’ve been called to do that work. There is so much suffering visible on TV.
- Yes, we must extend our hand of help to those affected by war or even natural disasters like Hurricane Harvey that has devasted 10s of thousands of Texans. I consider how fortunate I am at the present when I see families lose everything in a matter of hours. Heartbreaking situation in Texas.
But,
32:5.2 The events of time and the struggles of material existence are but the transient scaffolding which bridges over to the other side, to the promised land of spiritual reality and supernal existence.
In the meantime, we must do what we can in the here and now to comfort those who’ve experienced the grief of war. We have to do the footwork to help our wounded brethren, if we’ve been called to do that work. There is so much suffering visible on TV.
BB
Rodan said, “All too often, when we battle for the right, it turns out that both the victor and the vanquished have sustained defeat.”
160:3.4[Part IV]My philosophy tells me that there are times when I must fight, if need be, for the defense of my concept of righteousness, but I doubt not that the Master, with a more mature type of personality, would easily and gracefully gain an equal victory by his superior and winsome technique of tact and tolerance. All too often, when we battle for the right, it turns out that both the victor and the vanquished have sustained defeat. I heard the Master say only yesterday that the “wise man, when seeking entrance through the locked door, would not destroy the door but rather would seek for the key wherewith to unlock it.” Too often we engage in a fight merely to convince ourselves that we are not afraid.But there is only one battle and that is against doubt — unbelief. (159:3.8 ).To doubting Thomas Jesus said, “Kingdom builders, the accredited citizens of the heavenly worlds, are not to be disturbed by temporal upheavals or perturbed by terrestrial cataclysms. What does it matter to you who believe this gospel of the kingdom if nations overturn, the age ends, or all things visible crash, since you know that your life is the gift of the Son, and that it is eternally secure in the Father? Having lived the temporal life by faith and having yielded the fruits of the spirit as the righteousness of loving service for your fellows, you can confidently look forward to the next step in the eternal career with the same survival faith that has carried you through your first and earthly adventure in sonship with God.” (176:3.2 ).He said, “The downfall of nations, the crash of empires, the destruction of the unbelieving Jews, the end of an age, even the end of the world, what have these things to do with one who believes this gospel, and who has hid his life in the surety of the eternal kingdom? You who are God-knowing and gospel-believing have already received the assurances of eternal life. Since your lives have been lived in the spirit and for the Father, nothing can be of serious concern to you.” (176:3.2 ).Teams of people are trying to solve present day national and world problems. Let’s hope those teams take us forward, not backward.
As pointed out on page one of this thread, there is a cosmic plan for evacuating Urantia, should it come to that. While TUB doesn’t specifically say, I am personally convinced that if such a migration occurs, we will be none the wiser. The Life Carriers and other celestial organizers will make it such that our minds will not recognize anything amiss from our current existence.
Heck, it could have already happened while you were reading this thread!
In the meantime, should any of us be so unfortunate as to suffer the physical devastation and illness associated with nuclear war, it is from our suffering in life that growth occurs. All we can do is hold fast to our faith and continue to seek out Truth, Beauty and Love.
- And it could have happened 10x’s already!! Hell! We might be in the Mansion world right now as we type! Would a Urantian know he was on the Mansion world? Does it require belief to accept the reality one is now residing in the Mansion world? Is the Mansion world driven by literal facts or belief!!???So many unknowns!
As pointed out on page one of this thread, there is a cosmic plan for evacuating Urantia, should it come to that. While TUB doesn’t specifically say, I am personally convinced that if such a migration occurs, we will be none the wiser. The Life Carriers and other celestial organizers will make it such that our minds will not recognize anything amiss from our current existence. Heck, it could have already happened while you were reading this thread! In the meantime, should any of us be so unfortunate as to suffer the physical devastation and illness associated with nuclear war, it is from our suffering in life that growth occurs. All we can do is hold fast to our faith and continue to seek out Truth, Beauty and Love.
BB
Would a Urantian know he was on the Mansion world?
If a person is reacting to any adjutant mind spirit urges, he’s not on a mansion world. The adjutants don’t function there. Also, if he is using the toilet, he’s not living on a mansion world. Animal bodies can’t exist on a morontia sphere.
- True but there are people in the insane asylum who perceive altered realities and swear by them; perception is reality, as the saying goes. We perceive the things you mentioned but there is always a slight chance it’s not rooted in true reality. The superadjutants could be acting and, still, the mind is handicapped. Personally, I think the mansion world is a world based on belief, which explains why we all don’t end up on the same level. The stronger the belief the less rooted in the mansion’s reality and the more work that needs to be done on the mind.
Would a Urantian know he was on the Mansion world?
If a person is reacting to any adjutant mind spirit urges, he’s not on a mansion world. The adjutants don’t function there. Also, if he is using the toilet, he’s not living on a mansion world. Animal bodies can’t exist on a morontia sphere.
BB
The superadjutants could be acting
How are you defining the “superadjutants”?
Brooklyn_born wrote: . . . perception is reality, as the saying goes. We perceive the things you mentioned but there is always a slight chance it’s not rooted in true reality.What about the cosmic mind reality reflexes?Brooklyn_born wrote:Personally, I think the mansion world is a world based on belief,Belief in what?
Brooklyn_born wrote:The stronger the belief the less rooted in the mansion’s reality and the more work that needs to be done on the mind.What does this mean? The stronger the belief in what? What mind work?How are you defining the “superadjutants”?
superadjutant is the morontia soulWhat about the cosmic mind reality reflexes?finite, cosmic mind, at the morontial stage is subject to imperfection.Belief in what?
One possible belief someone can exhibit in the mansion world is the fact of “survival.” You may experience fact of survival but not “know” it to be factual. And because of this, one is free to accept or reject this fact; one could instead override this experience by thinking they are continuing their earthly life, or be confused and not understand what is happening to them. You will be told of your past life (your TA also will help bring to remembrance key events in life) but it will take a leap of faith and belief to accept it.Brooklyn_born wrote:The stronger the belief the less rooted in the mansion’s reality and the more work that needs to be done on the mind.What does this mean? The stronger the belief in what? What mind work?Belief is not rooted in fact. Beliefs do not require facts. One could be in the Mansion world yet continue to believe in ideas contrary to the leading of the TA. Beliefs usually imply doctrines and religion.BB
superadjutant is the morontia soul
But you referred to the plural. You wrote: “The superadjutants could be acting . . . ” Are you saying that the souls could be acting? If so, acting as what? in what capacity? is it a group of souls? Not sure what you mean.
finite, cosmic mind, at the morontial stage is subject to imperfection.
But the cosmic reflexes themselves are not imperfect. They work quite perfectly even in the material, earthly mind. They “unfailingly respond.” Why wouldn’t they function just as perfectly in the morontia mind?
16:6.5 The cosmic mind unfailingly responds (recognizes response) on three levels of universe reality.
Recall that it’s not the reflexes which are imperfect, but the willful failure of the personality to unify and coordinate them.
16:6.10 These three basic factors in reflective thinking may be unified and co-ordinated in personality development, or they may become disproportionate and virtually unrelated in their respective functions.
One possible belief someone can exhibit in the mansion world is the fact of “survival.” You may experience fact of survival but not “know” it to be factual. And because of this, one is free to accept or reject this fact; one could instead override this experience by thinking they are continuing their earthly life, or be confused and not understand what is happening to them.
Hmmm. Sorry, this doesn’t make any sense to me. It seems to me that if someone consciously accepts or rejects a fact (a reality), then they must be aware of it in order to make the choice in the first place. Conscious refusal of reality is sin, isn’t it?
Belief is not rooted in fact. Beliefs do not require facts. One could be in the Mansion world yet continue to believe in ideas contrary to the leading of the TA. Beliefs usually imply doctrines and religion.
I can accept that, but don’t you mean the stronger the DISBELIEF, the more mind work there is to be done by the Adjuster?
But you referred to the plural. You wrote: “The superadjutants could be acting . . . ” Are you saying that the souls could be acting? If so, acting as what? in what capacity? is it a group of souls? Not sure what you mean.
That was a mispelling on my part. What I am saying is you are not a perfect being on the mansion world. There is still room for mistakes.But the cosmic reflexes themselves are not imperfect. They work quite perfectly even in the material, earthly mind. They “unfailingly respond.” Why wouldn’t they function just as perfectly in the morontia mind?The morontial mind is imperfect on the mansion world.16:6.5 The cosmic mind unfailingly responds (recognizes response) on three levels of universe reality.
Recall that it’s not the reflexes which are imperfect, but the willful failure of the personality to unify and coordinate them.
Where is the seat of will?
One possible belief someone can exhibit in the mansion world is the fact of “survival.” You may experience fact of survival but not “know” it to be factual. And because of this, one is free to accept or reject this fact; one could instead override this experience by thinking they are continuing their earthly life, or be confused and not understand what is happening to them.
Hmmm. Sorry, this doesn’t make any sense to me. It seems to me that if someone consciously accepts or rejects a fact (a reality), then they must be aware of it in order to make the choice in the first place. Conscious refusal of reality is sin, isn’t it?
Not necessarily if it is done in ignorance. But sin does occur on the mansion world. In any event, the following revelation explains rejection of facts.
3:5.15 Throughout the universe, every unit is regarded as a part of the whole. Survival of the part is dependent on co-operation with the plan and purpose of the whole, the wholehearted desire and perfect willingness to do the Father’s divine will. The only evolutionary world without error (the possibility of unwise judgment) would be a world without free intelligence. In the Havona universe there are a billion perfect worlds with their perfect inhabitants, but evolving man must be fallible if he is to be free. Free and inexperienced intelligence cannot possibly at first be uniformly wise. The possibility of mistaken judgment (evil) becomes sin only when the human will consciously endorses and knowingly embraces a deliberate immoral judgment.
Belief is not rooted in fact. Beliefs do not require facts. One could be in the Mansion world yet continue to believe in ideas contrary to the leading of the TA. Beliefs usually imply doctrines and religion.
I can accept that, but don’t you mean the stronger the DISBELIEF, the more mind work there is to be done by the Adjuster?
I am not sure I want to fully agree with your statement – belief vs. disbelief. Hmmm…I have to ponder on this.
BB
That was a mispelling on my part. What I am saying is you are not a perfect being on the mansion world. There is still room for mistakes.
Thanks for admitting your error. Yes, I agree. There is plenty of room for mistakes until the Corps of the Finality.
The morontial mind is imperfect on the mansion world.
But the cosmic reality reflexes are not imperfect. They work correctly every time. What the PERSONALITY does with them is what can go wrong. If the PERSONALITY ignores them, distorts them, or engages them in an unbalanced manner, it is a free-will choice, but with possible disastrous results.
Where is the seat of will?
PERSONALITY.
I am not sure I want to fully agree with your statement – belief vs. disbelief. Hmmm…I have to ponder on this.
Thanks for the indulgence.
I have no illusion that we well be relocated either just prior to or a millisecond after the nuclear exchange begins.
billions may get incinerated but humanity will survive.
i think the destruction of the planet is the key, like from collision with another massive object or our sun becoming a red giant as it dies.
hoping to escape nuclear war by being relocated is analogous to sign seeking. IMHO
And the title of this so-called topic appears to be attention seeking. As BB admits: “I am guilty of the sensationalized headline. I accept that. But if you read the content you’d see that the headline grossly misrepresents the content.”
Hopefully, a little reflection might tone down the rhetorical declarations and move toward the desire to learn rather than insert fear and anxiety or simply grab attention….and the “headline” may more clearly represent the “content”. Sensationalism reveals motive and agenda. The fact is every world, once deemed inhabited, has a certain inevitable outcome….Light and Life…without fail or exception. And no, in such an emergency re-location, we do not go to a mansion world, and yes, we will know when we are on a mansion world….the distinctions are enormous and they are many and we will notice them to be sure!
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