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Having sex after death

22 posts · 6 participants · started Mar 11, 2026, 2:38 AM

  1. How do you feel about after death, being given a new young healthy body, but never once being allowed to have sex with it?  Consider not only for the physical pleasure of sex, but also for the intimate loving connection it can give between two people.  Taking away the possibility of pregnancy and any negative aspects we have now, why couldn’t we occasionally be given it for a reward or something in the afterlife?

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  2. Consider not only for the physical pleasure of sex, but also for the intimate loving connection it can give between two people.

    Let me ask you a question. Do you think people can have an intimate loving connection without sex? What do you think about the intimate and loving connection of friendships? BFF’s? Partnerships?

     

    1:6.5 [Part I]
    Some degree of moral affinity and spiritual harmony is essential to friendship between two persons; a loving personality can hardly reveal himself to a loveless person. Even to approach the knowing of a divine personality, all of man’s personality endowments must be wholly consecrated to the effort; halfhearted, partial devotion will be unavailing.

    Rodan said:

    160:4.12 [Part IV]
    Train your memory to hold in sacred trust the strength-giving and worth-while episodes of life, which you can recall at will for your pleasure and edification. Thus build up for yourself and in yourself reserve galleries of beauty, goodness, and artistic grandeur. But the noblest of all memories are the treasured recollections of the great moments of a superb friendship. And all of these memory treasures radiate their most precious and exalting influences under the releasing touch of spiritual worship.

    Material pleasures are transient.

    100:2.6 [Part III]
    The goal of human self-realization should be spiritual, not material. The only realities worth striving for are divine, spiritual, and eternal. Mortal man is entitled to the enjoyment of physical pleasures and to the satisfaction of human affections; he is benefited by loyalty to human associations and temporal institutions; but these are not the eternal foundations upon which to build the immortal personality which must transcend space, vanquish time, and achieve the eternal destiny of divine perfection and finaliter service.

     

  3. To Mara:  Yes, loving connections of friendships, BFF’s and partnerships are good too, in addition to what sex provides, which though is only for certain people.  Can you answer my question?

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  4. To Mara:  Yes, loving connections of friendships, BFF’s and partnerships are good too, in addition to what sex provides, which though is only for certain people.  Can you answer my question?

    The mansion worlds regime is a period of rehabilitation, remediation, and progression.

    45:6.3 [Part II]
    On the seven mansion worlds ascending mortals are afforded ample opportunities for compensating any and all experiential deprivations suffered on their worlds of origin, whether due to inheritance, environment, or unfortunate premature termination of the career in the flesh. This is in every sense true except in the mortal sex life and its attendant adjustments. Thousands of mortals reach the mansion worlds without having benefited particularly from the disciplines derived from fairly average sex relations on their native spheres. The mansion world experience can provide little opportunity for compensating these very personal deprivations. Sex experience in a physical sense is past for these ascenders, but in close association with the Material Sons and Daughters, both individually and as members of their families, these sex-deficient mortals are enabled to compensate the social, intellectual, emotional, and spiritual aspects of their deficiency. Thus are all those humans whom circumstances or bad judgment deprived of the benefits of advantageous sex association on the evolutionary worlds, here on the system capitals afforded full opportunity to acquire these essential mortal experiences in close and loving association with the supernal Adamic sex creatures of permanent residence on the system capitals.
    45:6.7 [Part II]
    This probation nursery of Satania is maintained by certain morontia personalities on the finaliters’ world, one half of the planet being devoted to this work of child rearing. Here are received and reassembled certain children of surviving mortals, such as those offspring who perished on the evolutionary worlds before acquiring spiritual status as individuals. The ascension of either of its natural parents insures that such a mortal child of the realms will be accorded repersonalization on the system finaliter planet and there be permitted to demonstrate by subsequent freewill choice whether or not it elects to follow the parental path of mortal ascension. Children here appear as on the nativity world except for the absence of sex differentiation. There is no reproduction of mortal kind after the life experience on the inhabited worlds.
    47:4.7 [Part II]
    Biological deficiencies were largely made up on the first mansion world. There defects in planetary experiences pertaining to sex life, family association, and parental function were either corrected or were projected for future rectification among the Material Son families on Jerusem.
    48:5.8 [Part II]
    One of the purposes of the morontia career is to effect the permanent eradication from the mortal survivors of such animal vestigial traits as . . . .
  5. I know for sure there will be no chance for sex acts on the mansion worlds and probably beyond.  The lack of sex organs on the morontia bodies confirms that.  My question is how do you feel about never again being able have any kind of sex forever and ever?

    And what about for girls who were saving theirselves for marriage but died before getting married on Urantia?

    And what about people who were physically or mentally disabled with never a chance to have sex on Urantia?

    And since the point of our never ending education on the mansion worlds and beyond is to understand everything about all aspects of life on many planets, the personal knowledge of this one aspect of sex will be forever missing.  One cannot be all knowing with no personal sexual experience.  And that is why someone like me who never had any children must raise 3 children with an opposite gender partner, on the finaliter world.  Our afterlife goal is to be fully knowledgable about everything.  Do I have that right?

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  6. Get over it.

  7. “Get over it.”

    Hahaha…indeed!

    Undoubtedly, everything we gain in wonder, happiness, vitality, and joy will far exceed any and all physical pleasures left behind on the material worlds.

    The eternal adventures to come cannot be imagined.   There will be so many new pleasures to experience.  To lament the loss of what is not yet lost seems odd to me.

    Perhaps we should consider the profound differences between happiness and physical pleasures?  They may be related but certainly not the same.

    We will always know pleasures but peace, contentment, assurance, happiness, and joy?  Those are the prize of spiritization and mortal destiny.

    Are hair and sex so invaluable to pleasure I wonder?  Will there be vanity in heaven?  Let us hope there is none.

    Based on my personal experience of aging, injury, infirmary, and recovery, I would suggest that the elimination and absence of pain is the greatest pleasure of all.

    Looking forward to that!

     

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  8. Of course, there must be something similar, since the love between a man and a woman—when they truly love each other—goes far beyond the physical aspect of sexual union; in fact, this kind of union is not merely sexual, but transcends it, becoming what has been called a CULMINATING EXPERIENCE. Furthermore we must remember that the Midway Creatures were born to life, by a union sexual and not sexual, which means then something that transcend the physical.

  9. My impression from reading the UB is that in the mansion worlds and the finaliter world, we will all live as individuals, not being in union with any other person, except maybe for a short time in completing a project assignment.  Even for the time, as long as 10 years, that I will be raising 3 children along with a female partner, the UB’s description focuses on mother/father figures for the sake of the children and suggests no such husband/wife type relationship for me and the female assigned to this project.  Does that sound about right?

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  10. 38:4.2 (420.3)These headquarters worlds are among the magnificent realms of Nebadon; the seraphic estates are characterized by both beauty and vastness. Here each seraphim has a real home, and “home” means the domicile of two seraphim; they live in pairs.

    38:4.3 (420.4)Though not male and female as are the Material Sons and the mortal races, seraphim are negative and positive. In the majority of assignments it requires two angels to accomplish the task. When they are not encircuited, they can work alone; neither do they require complements of being when stationary. Ordinarily they retain their original complements of being, but not necessarily. Such associations are primarily necessitated by function; they are not characterized by sex emotion, though they are exceedingly personal and truly affectionate.

    84:6.5 (938.9)The differences of nature, reaction, viewpoint, and thinking between men and women, far from occasioning concern, should be regarded as highly beneficial to mankind, both individually and collectively. Many orders of universe creatures are created in dual phases of personality manifestation. Among mortals, Material Sons, and midsoniters, this difference is described as male and female; among seraphim, cherubim, and Morontia Companions, it has been denominated positive or aggressive and negative or retiring. Such dual associations greatly multiply versatility and overcome inherent limitations, even as do certain triune associations in the Paradise-Havona system.

    84:6.6 (939.1)Men and women need each other in their morontial and spiritual as well as in their mortal careers. The differences in viewpoint between male and female persist even beyond the first life and throughout the local and superuniverse ascensions. And even in Havona, the pilgrims who were once men and women will still be aiding each other in the Paradise ascent. Never, even in the Corps of the Finality, will the creature metamorphose so far as to obliterate the personality trends that humans call male and female; always will these two basic variations of humankind continue to intrigue, stimulate, encourage, and assist each other; always will they be mutually dependent on co-operation in the solution of perplexing universe problems and in the overcoming of manifold cosmic difficulties.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  11. 84:6.6 especially makes me feel better, that there will be close male/female relationships on the mansion worlds and beyond.  That is if I understand the statements the way to writer has.  And still no suggestion that we will live as couples at any time, which could be good or bad.  I am a bit surprised though to learn that in Havona, males and females will evolve into neither.  Please let me know if you can expound on any of this.

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  12. The quote does not say mortals will ever “evolve into neither”.  It says we will never evolve into neither.  We will forever be more and greater together as male/female pairs and larger teams than apart or individually in function and effect and power. This is a universal pattern, even beyond Havona and to the eternal adventures to come.

    “Never, even in the Corps of the Finality, will the creature metamorphose so far as to obliterate the personality trends that humans call male and female; always will these two basic variations of humankind continue to intrigue, stimulate, encourage, and assist each other; always will they be mutually dependent on co-operation in the solution of perplexing universe problems and in the overcoming of manifold cosmic difficulties.”

    10:8.7 (116.8)The Corps of the Finality embrace, among others, those mortals of time and space who have attained perfection in all that pertains to the will of God. As creatures and within the limits of creature capacity they fully and truly know God. ….

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  13. Guess I was confused by the statement, quote:  “And even in Havona, the pilgrims who were once men and women will still be aiding each other in the Paradise ascent.”  I took “who were once men and women” to mean we would at some point no longer be men and women”.  Also I have wondered what difference would it make, when both men and women pretty much look the same, with no genitals or hips or breasts, plus I get the feeling morantia bodies will have no hair, having only the body features that were necessary.  Only maybe the face is left to distinguish gender, and that may be difficult.

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  14. I understand your confusion.

    You are assuming much.  Should conjecture and speculation lead to conclusions and opinions, or simply wonderment and quivering anticipation to discover the unknown in the future?

    I have always hoped that the mansion worlds hosted a full spectrum of physical forms like portrayed in the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises.  Probably not.

    But, we are told, our material forms will reflect and project our identity and individualism.  Form and aura may both, perhaps, deliver differential and identifiable traits.  I too can only wonder.

    But gender traits and identification are far more than sexual or biological. Consider the angels.  It is difficult for material beings to perceive that even mortals are spiritual beings with physical form, not bodies with identity.   Our selfhood is not material.   Mind, soul, personality, and our Deity Connections are who we are.  We are not our bodies.

    Indeed it is our primary task in this life and the next to transfer the “seat of our identity” from our material nature and origin to our spiritual destiny and connections.

    112:5.1 (1232.2)Selfhood is a cosmic reality whether material, morontial, or spiritual. The actuality of the personal is the bestowal of the Universal Father acting in and of himself or through his manifold universe agencies. To say that a being is personal is to recognize the relative individuation of such a being within the cosmic organism. The living cosmos is an all but infinitely integrated aggregation of real units, all of which are relatively subject to the destiny of the whole. But those that are personal have been endowed with the actual choice of destiny acceptance or of destiny rejection.

    112:5.2 (1232.3)That which comes from the Father is like the Father eternal, and this is just as true of personality, which God gives by his own freewill choice, as it is of the divine Thought Adjuster, an actual fragment of God. Man’s personality is eternal but with regard to identity a conditioned eternal reality. Having appeared in response to the Father’s will, personality will attain Deity destiny, but man must choose whether or not he will be present at the attainment of such destiny. In default of such choice, personality attains experiential Deity directly, becoming a part of the Supreme Being. The cycle is foreordained, but man’s participation therein is optional, personal, and experiential.

    112:5.3 (1232.4)Mortal identity is a transient time-life condition in the universe; it is real only in so far as the personality elects to become a continuing universe phenomenon. This is the essential difference between man and an energy system: The energy system must continue, it has no choice; but man has everything to do with determining his own destiny. The Adjuster is truly the path to Paradise, but man himself must pursue that path by his own deciding, his freewill choosing.

    112:5.4 (1232.5)Human beings possess identity only in the material sense. Such qualities of the self are expressed by the material mind as it functions in the energy system of the intellect. When it is said that man has identity, it is recognized that he is in possession of a mind circuit which has been placed in subordination to the acts and choosing of the will of the human personality. But this is a material and purely temporary manifestation, just as the human embryo is a transient parasitic stage of human life. Human beings, from a cosmic perspective, are born, live, and die in a relative instant of time; they are not enduring. But mortal personality, through its own choosing, possesses the power of transferring its seat of identity from the passing material-intellect system to the higher morontia-soul system which, in association with the Thought Adjuster, is created as a new vehicle for personality manifestation.

    112:5.5 (1233.1)And it is this very power of choice, the universe insignia of freewill creaturehood, that constitutes man’s greatest opportunity and his supreme cosmic responsibility. Upon the integrity of the human volition depends the eternal destiny of the future finaliter; upon the sincerity of the mortal free will the divine Adjuster depends for eternal personality; upon the faithfulness of mortal choice the Universal Father depends for the realization of a new ascending son; upon the steadfastness and wisdom of decision-actions the Supreme Being depends for the actuality of experiential evolution.

    112:5.6 (1233.2)Though the cosmic circles of personality growth must eventually be attained, if, through no fault of your own, the accidents of time and the handicaps of material existence prevent your mastering these levels on your native planet, if your intentions and desires are of survival value, there are issued the decrees of probation extension. You will be afforded additional time in which to prove yourself.

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  15. You can always volunteer to be on a Princes staff for an evolutionary world somewhere and have midwayer babies.

  16. Perhaps ya’ll should include sex urge for attempts to understand the original question here. This urge exists in mortals to give the Father more children. Can you find that in the UB?  There is no more mortal child procreation, as on the inhabited planets, after reaching the Mansion Worlds. Therefore, we may reasonably assume no more sex urge.        So, the question I would advance here is: Why the strong interest in proving sex is necessary or needed after leaving mortal life? Intimacy may be dramatically different after reaching Mansonia.

  17. Where the sex discussion really gets wild is the story of the mating experience of Adamson and Ratta.  They met when she was 20 and he was 120 and proceeded to crank out 67 children.  Let those facts sink in.  She was pregnant for nearly 70 years.  Ratta’s  pure blood lineage persisted for approximately 150,000 to 160,000 years.  These facts give a hint on how important blood lines and lineage was to these remnants of the original celestial beings from Dalmatia.

    <small>77:5.5 (861.5) </small>A company of twenty-seven followed Adamson northward in quest of these people of his childhood fantasies. In a little over three years Adamson’s party actually found the object of their adventure, and among these people he discovered a wonderful and beautiful woman, twenty years old, who claimed to be the last pure-line descendant of the Prince’s staff. This woman, Ratta, said that her ancestors were all descendants of two of the fallen staff of the Prince. She was the last of her race, having no living brothers or sisters.

    Ratta may not have missed not having sex once she got to the mansion worlds.

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    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  19. You can always volunteer to be on a Princes staff for an evolutionary world somewhere and have midwayer babies..

    What body features would I have for that assignment?

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

  20. Perhaps ya’ll should include sex urge for attempts to understand the original question here. This urge exists in mortals to give the Father more children. Can you find that in the UB? There is no more mortal child procreation, as on the inhabited planets, after reaching the Mansion Worlds. Therefore, we may reasonably assume no more sex urge. So, the question I would advance here is: Why the strong interest in proving sex is necessary or needed after leaving mortal life? Intimacy may be dramatically different after reaching Mansonia.

    Not only “may be dramatically different” but definitely will, considering that we will have no genitals.

    I am beholden to show mercy; I must go to the rescue of the assaulted lad. 133.1 Mercy and Justice.

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