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25 posts · 7 participants · started Jun 14, 2015, 3:59 AM

  1. I hope to take disagreement easily, gain in my own perspective, and lessen my own prejudice by the perspectives and opinions of others.

    If by your usage of “prejudice” which you assign to yourself, and hope to “lessen” through “disagreement” which you admit to comes “easily” but, then to associate this with the “perspectives” of other’s which with, whose “difference of opinion”, become “dissension”, which could easily be interpreted as presenting evil with evil, rather than  presenting evil with good?  When making double negative statements, it can be implied as “evil for evil” and can be conceived as deceptive, or as with a forked tongue, which is part of the sentence structure to be sure, but over time it would seem to have become habitual, as coming from “Other Memory”, which may be considered as “genetic memory”.  However, I do not think that this nature will lessen over time?

    “disagreement” — “difference of opinion; dissent – quarrel; dissension; argument.”

    “perspective” — “the state of one’s ideas, the facts known to one, etc., in having a meaningful interrelationship” — “the faculty of seeing all the relevant data in a meaningful relationship” or, “a mental view or prospect: the dismal perspective of terminally ill patients.“

    “prejudice” — “an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.”

     

     

  2. Moderator-2 wrote:  UAI has consistently upheld their strict policy prohibiting the promotion of channeling activities, either directly or indirectly, at their conferences, within their publications, or on their website.
    I appreciate that UAI holds to this policy.  People who disagree with the policy have a right to do so.  I think right now in the post-publication era of the UB (1955 to the present), the channeling fad is a new example of the mind at mischief.  In the case of  UAI and this website policies are made by the combined wisdom of leaders who by nature and experience have arisen to leadership positions.  The group as a whole decides policy.  And the group has every right to do so.  Do you remember where Jesus said:
    ( 181:2:16)   In my universe and in my Father’s universe of universes, our brethren-sons are dealt with as individuals in all their spiritual relations, but in all group relationships we unfailingly provide for definite leadership. Our kingdom is a realm of order, and where two or more will creatures act in co-operation, there is always provided the authority of leadership.
    Jesus is concerned the individual and his personal and purely religious problems.  Regarding the co-ordination of divergent human interpretations of religious questions and upon the socialization of religion, he said we have to solve these non-spiritual problems ourselves.
    144:6:3   Andrew and Abner alternated in presiding over these joint meetings of the two apostolic groups. These men had many difficulties to discuss and numerous problems to solve. Again and again would they take their troubles to Jesus, only to hear him say: “I am concerned only with your personal and purely religious problems. I am the representative of the Father to the individual, not to the group. If you are in personal difficulty in your relations with God, come to me, and I will hear you and counsel you in the solution of your problem. But when you enter upon the co-ordination of divergent human interpretations of religious questions and upon the socialization of religion, you are destined to solve all such problems by your own decisions. Albeit, I am ever sympathetic and always interested, and when you arrive at your conclusions touching these matters of nonspiritual import, provided you are all agreed, then I pledge in advance my full approval and hearty co-operation. And now, in order to leave you unhampered in your deliberations, I am leaving you for two weeks. Be not anxious about me, for I will return to you. I will be about my Father’s business, for we have other realms besides this one.”

     

  3. Midi – The term “prejudice” is defined somewhat differently in the UB and without the “unfavorable” element (still undesirable however), or so I understand it (there are dozens of examples found by a key word search).  Current usage can describe any -ism like racism, sexism, etc.  But as presented in the UB, it also means a loyalty to preconception or current knowledge and belief which inhibits growth by its rigidity or inflexibility and prevents new truths and understanding to blossom in mind.  It is a normal tendency of material mind to be jealous of its own perspective and conclusions and requires purposeful management and diminishment without then coming to believe anything and everything – to lack prejudice is not to expand gullibility for example.

    Louis describes one element of such prejudice as “experiential bias” which I think accurate in its way and describes a limitation that each mind must be aware of – our perspective is limited by our experience and also by our internal loyalty to our own understanding.  One may be prejudice with knowledge, thought, or reason by the definition used in the UB I think – it is limited knowledge, it is thoughtful to some degree, and a reasoned belief whereby the knowledge, thought, and reasoning is limited, distorted, narrow, and may often be something learned from others and blindly accepted – or traditional/cultural/familial in origination.

    I did not say I hoped to “lessen” my prejudice BY “disagreement” nor did I say disagreement “comes” easily – I said I try to “take” disagreement easily or agreeably to learn thereby from the perspective of others which may disagree with my own – thus the reference to my prejudice and my wish to lessen it by listening to and learning from the perspectives of others.  I don’t find no double negatives in my prior sentences (haha – now that’s a double negative).  It is unfortunate that you seek out “implications” and innuendo by the words I choose to express myself or that you believe me to be deceptive.  Your lessons in grammar imply suspicions and judgments of character I find regrettable….but you must decide for yourself what my motives and agenda may be.  As we all do by the words chosen and manner written by all posters here.

    While my English, grammar, and writing skills leave ample room for improvement, I am unsure how “genetic memory” affects those since these are learned skills and tools and not innate or genetic by any measure; an interesting proposition you give.

    I think we seem to have exhausted the topic as you have offered nothing related to the topic itself in your critique of my perspective as presented and the presentation itself.  We seem to be just chasing my tail here.

    I thank the moderators for allowing time to explore the issue of removing the post and their explanation which I find appropriate.  Thanks to all.  Think I’ll move over to Vern’s new topic – “What is inexcusable?” – an interesting beginning on the topic.

    ;-)

    "Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."

  4. (1087.3) 99:1.6 Religion must not become organically involved in the secular work of social reconstruction and economic reorganization. But it must actively keep pace with all these advances in civilization by making clear-cut and vigorous restatements of its moral mandates and spiritual precepts, its progressive philosophy of human living and transcendent survival. The spirit of religion is eternal, but the form of its expression must be restated every time the dictionary of human language is revised.

  5. Mara wrote: …when you enter upon the co-ordination of divergent human interpretations of religious questions and upon the socialization of religion, you are destined to solve all such problems by your own decisions.
    Mara, as you know, I am no fan of the “Channeling Policy” and consider it as “millstone around the neck” of Urantia Association International in the essential work of fostering spiritual brotherhood.
    Time will tell.
    Till such time as such a policy can be reviewed, you will need to be very sure you have the wisdom to differentiate between the message and the messenger, for it is not within human capacity to judge the worth of another soul.

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