I really appreciate all your comments. I would like to respond but I’m at work at the moment. I’ll be in touch soon.
Julian
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Do Our Celestial Friends Make Contact with us?
91 posts · 11 participants · started Jun 8, 2016, 1:34 AM
What other kind of teacher do you need?????
Mara, I am assuming here that you are suggesting we only need Jesus’ teachings. But we only have to go as far as the authors of the 196 Papers to see that the number of Celestial Teachers available to us exceeds our material comprehension.
The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)
Didn’t Julian say that the people who are receiving the emails from midwayers are getting messages which only concern their group ministry? What is this group ministry he is referring to? Are they trying to form a church or a religion of some kind? Celestial communication is exactly what you need when trying to build a religion and attract followers. It’s a common thread in many religions (think Joseph Smith and the Mormons, Paul and the Gentile Church).
Julian said that the emails do not contain revelatory material, only instructions on how to improve their ministry, or presumably their church. Since the emails are going to a group, it has to be for social reasons, not individual spiritual reasons. I’m not sure midwayers get involved in social affairs. I’m willing to guess that these people think that the Urantia community is going down the wrong path by not organizing a church and therefore the midwayers have to intervene in order to do what they think the Urantia Book demands, which is organize a religion/church. Mysterious celestial communications would give such an argument clout, and who wants to argue with midwayers if they desire to organize a social church group? That’s just a guess on my part, an intuitive stab in the dark. I have no inside information . . . just trying to put two and two together.
It would be nice if these folks would share their communications with the rest of the Urantia community since we’re the only ones on the planet who accept the fact that there are midwayers. Let the community at large determine the validity of these emails and also allow somebody with technical know-how track down the digital source. I’m also guessing that they’re coming from an individual within the group who feels the need to manipulate the minds of others so they will follow him/her. It has scam written all over it. Quite clever and sneaky, but scam nonetheless. And I stand firm on that!
Julian wrote: . . . is it inconceivable that a celestial entity would make some kind of approach to us mere mortals? Well obviously it’s not inconceivable! Mary, Elizabeth, Zecharias, Joseph, Jesus, some wise man priest from Mesopotamia, the shepherd boy who heard the 23rd psalm . . . who else? . . . can’t recall right now . . . they all had celestial contact of some kind or another.
Of course that is true Bonita….but what I should have asked is whether it is inconceivable that a celestial entity would make contact with us in the modern era? Well we know it happened early in the 20th century with Dr Sadler and co. The purpose of that was to arrange for the delivery of the 5th Epochal Revelation. Back in the first century however, angels were used on several occasions to facilitate the growth of the apostles’ ministry. In Acts 10: 1-8, an angel appears to the Roman centurion Cornelius, giving him instructions on how to find the apostle Peter. In Acts 12: 7-11, an angel delivers the apostle Peter from prison bondage. One however gets the sense that these were not common occurrences. I cite these biblical incidents in response to your questions:
Weren’t all the bona fide communiques mentioned above somewhat revelatory? Why else bother? Again, what’s the motive?
Well, my friends claim that the messages they receive are exclusively for the purpose of aiding them in their ministry to proclaim the gospel of Jesus.
If the sincere confidence shared by your “dear friends”, Julian, is so laughable, then your own belief in the Urantia Book and its means of reaching us in modern times is also laughable. Why is it strange to you that contact would continue? Why do you all mock this shared confidence so cruelly if you are not reacting out of some negative dis-position? My dear forum friends perhaps you should examine your own motives.
Angela let me make it clear that I am not laughing at nor mocking my friends. I know they are sincere, which is a quality much valued by our Father: The man who knows God looks upon all men as equal; they are his brethren. Those who are selfish, those who ignore their brothers in the flesh, have only weariness as their reward. Those who love their fellows and who have pure hearts shall see God. God never forgets sincerity. He will guide the honest of heart into the truth, for God is truth. P.1443:2
I did not start this thread to heap scorn and ridicule upon them. I cannot accurately judge their motives…..only God can do that! And who of us can claim to have perfectly pure motives? Not me!
The purpose of this thread was to facilitate discussion of the question I originally asked….whether or not it is possible or probable that we could be contacted by an unseen friend? My limited understanding of what the UB teaches on this matter suggests that it is possible but hardly probable.
So, is one person receiving these emails or several (email revelations??!!)? Are the words written to an individual or to a group?
From what I have been told Bradly, some emails were addressed to individuals and some were addressed to the group. A few of those meant for the group (they claim they have received 100s) were displayed on the group’s website. I must admit that I was not overly impressed with what I read….nothing that a mere mortal could not have written.
So, we are told there is only epochal revelation and auto/personal revelation. The examples cited above by Bonita are all “personal” revelation…to the one mind and for the one mind – which mind often feels compelled to share/articulate to others after a fashion.
I always thought that auto-revelation was from our personal Thought Adjuster. They claim that none of the messages constitute “revelation”. As I mentioned in my remarks to Bonita, they were all meant for facilitating ministry.
Thank you also to Gene, Midi, Mara, and Chuck for sharing your viewpoint….I hope I haven’t missed anyone. Your comments have all been helpful. I will endeavour to respond to what you have said over the weekend.
- Julian wrote: A few of those meant for the group (they claim they have received 100s) were displayed on the group’s website. I must admit that I was not overly impressed with what I read….nothing that a mere mortal could not have written.
I’m curious, what’s the website address? Are they related to the 11:11 crowd who claim to get messages from midwayers every day? It’s amazing to me how far away from reality some folks can wander. But we know it happens, and unfortunately, it happens a lot. These folks are to be pitied. It’s sad.
I wrote a longish response earlier today, but it disappeared. I know. Our celestial friends didn’t approve of what I wrote and they poofed it from existence.
If the sincere confidence shared by your “dear friends”, Julian, is so laughable, then your own belief in the Urantia Book and its means of reaching us in modern times is also laughable. Why is it strange to you that contact would continue? Why do you all mock this shared confidence so cruelly if you are not reacting out of some negative dis-position? My dear forum friends perhaps you should examine your own motives.
Angela….the bard once said that the difference between tragedy and comedy is simply time and distance. Some of us have had many decades of study and encounters (direct and personal) with those who claim to be 1) receiving messages from gods, spirits, celestials, etc.; 2) called for the continuation/completion of the UB, the fifth of 5 epochal (please consider the term and meaning of that word) revelations to the whole planet – one well known party is working on E5, Part II, over 4,000 pages of the “new” revelation (very loosely based on terminologies and personalities in the original UB); 3) recruiting Reservists (like themselves) who are able to “receive and transmit” messages, news, warnings, instructions, etc. from universe rulers – especially regarding the adjudication of the rebellion and the crowning of a new system sovereign and planetary prince, etc. (a review of “reservists” is recommended to identify the self importance and lack of humility required to proclaim oneself such – yet many do so); 4) able to identify special “indigo children” blessed by an infusion of violet Adamic blood (by angel or alien insemination depending on the group); 5) receiving universe broadcasts on behalf of the planet; 6) and there are plenty of similar claims made over the decades, many of which have attracted the weak minded and/or inexperienced readers who had the misconception that the UB was received by such techniques (this is a falsehood), thereby lending false credibility to these claims which are in direct contradiction to the Urantia Papers inaccurately touted as the “source” for their authorities and claims of power.
To me, those who make such claims are truly uncomplicated; but their willing and eager audience? That’s a quandary!!! The UB clearly teaches that many forsake truth and the mighty endeavor of the truth seeker and religionist in favor of spoon fed creed and dogma with the priest class fully supported as intermediaries between gods and humanity. This is weak mindedness.
Each and every person is fully encircuited by the spirits of the Mother, Father, and Son – and none of those are distinguishable from another; and that no agent, person, spirit, or entity may engage the mind of an ascender by any means or method other than through this spirit ministry, including our personal guardian angels – all of whose sole intent, purpose, and priority is the personal spiritual upliftment through the psychic circles of each mortal born.
I appreciate your tolerance of and respect for the experience of others, whether real or mind mischief….but such claims are neither new nor credible. Now, in keeping with Julian’s posted question, I encourage you and all of us to consider and post that UB text which may bring light and understanding to the issue – how, why, by whom, and under what circumstances might we mortal ascenders on our world of birth be contacted by any celestial other than our own TA, Michael’s Spirit of Truth, or the Holy Spirit?
We are warned that any mind which can transcend from the animal mind to the spirit and morontia mind has the inherent capacity for delusion, illusion, and spiritual pride. Combine those with the mind poisons of fear and power over others and you have every ingredient needed for a recipe for disaster!
While I am no fan of apocrypha or the story of the gift of the Papers (the story “about” the UB is as fraught with the dangers demonstrated by the historical twisting of the gospel “of” Jesus into the doctrines/creeds/beliefs/gospel “about” Jesus), my belief is that the contents of the UB is the gift given, not the process of its giving. I doubted, for a long time and several readings, the claims the UB makes for itself, its source, its authority, its authors, etc…..but each reading delivered a repleteness and wholeness of integrated mastery, harmony, balance, logic that, eventually, it became clear to me that there simply is no other explanation for the book except as given within the book itself.
Those who claim the privilege and power to “continue, revise, complete, update” this “epochal revelation” or the ability to defy its words and teachings will forever be a challenge. Seasoned and knowledgeable students who have personal experience with such claims are an important defense for the unwary, inexperienced, and less well-read students. There is nothing any channeler, oracle, medium, spirit guide, or other mortal might say or provide to you or me that is valid related to the factual personal ministry of mind and spirit. To claim such power is delusional or charlatanism; to believe such claims by others is to give away our personal sovereignty and reality into the hands of another mere mortal.
The importance of the topic and question posed is important….the example given first is unfortunate. I hope we may all provide relevant text related to the many claims that the mind at mischief might conjur up (pun intended!).
Mara…Sister you crack me up!!! I’ve had the same thing happen…but I blamed it on the devil! Haahhahahahhaha!
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
Thank you Bradly. I do agree the Urantia Book is pure and is given at the right time for a long time benefit. It doesn’t need correction or updating. Its far too early to update this Revelation, as mortals need many, many more centuries to absorb and apply to culture, societies and families in enduring repose. Yes, there will be misunderstandings and risks, but the Father’s Plan is a long term one. We need to look forward with the One True Authority for each individual, the bestowed Mystery Monitor we all host within. There is no replacement authority, no matter how clever may be a person. Follow Jesus truthfully in all his ways and that certainly means being fully honest with him.
Thank you Bradly. I am saddened by the level of discussion – it seems far from the spirit of the Urantia Book. It is folly to pronounce judgment on the sincerity or the value of any other person’s contribution to dessemination of Jesus’ teachings. It would be far more preferable to state Julian’s question of whether ‘internet is a likely means of connection in present times’ without holding out a particular group to this public judgment. The suggestion that with further detail a conclusion could be drawn is not a course of action derived from the Urantia Book.
My contribution here is not based upon any affiliation, I simply believe that our celestial teachers are with us at all times, they are able to make use of all current means of communication but are bound by protocols. So it is quite possible that this group is on the up and up.
There is another reason — not connected with the ethical — to avoid disparagement. No human has unconditional authority or supreme knowledge to declare past 1934, what form celestial teaching will take, either as individuals or in representation of a group. There are many possibilities referred to in the Urantia Book, any of which could materialise at any time or be present without our knowledge. Who are we to say when Jesus is scheduling His return? Who are we to declare at what stage we are in our evolutionary path? In my humble opinion, to suggest superior knowledge is itself an expression of ego uncharacteristic of our guidance received in the Urantia Book.
The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)
There is another reason — not connected with the ethical — to avoid disparagement. No human has unconditional authority or supreme knowledge to declare past 1934, what form celestial teaching will take, either as individuals or in representation of a group. There are many possibilities referred to in the Urantia Book, any of which could materialise at any time or be present without our knowledge. Who are we to say when Jesus is scheduling His return? Who are we to declare at what stage we are in our evolutionary path? In my humble opinion, to suggest superior knowledge is itself an expression of ego uncharacteristic of our guidance received in the Urantia Book.
So Angela, if I should tell you that every morning when I wake up there is a handwritten letter on my desk from a midwayer giving me instructions on how to improve my ability to communicate the meaning of TUB here on the forum, would you accept that as true? Or would you, like any other sane person say, “Yeah right, someone call the white coats.” If I were the kind of person who needed to be in control and on top, it would be a convenient way for me to win every argument and gain prestige. After all, I’d be in the inner circle and getting the right information directly from the source. How could you argue with that?
Well Angela, this is exactly what’s been happening within the UB community since it went public. It’s also what went on at the onset of the implementation of the Fourth Epochal Revelation. Everyone wants to be an insider to the supernatural, superhuman club. But it’s a cheater’s way to finding truth. It’s a way of not only tricking other people, but tricking yourself into believing something that may or may not be based on reality. Our goal in life is to become more real. We’re told not to put much stock in the supernatural because we’re not equipped to handle that level of reality. We’re told to be indifferent to it as best we can. Folks that don’t heed that warning are in danger.
One of the reasons TUB came to us is because the sleeping subject was totally indifferent to the supernatural goings on of his Adjuster. These folks with the emails do not appear to be indifferent, therefore their motives must be questioned. Why aren’t they indifferent? What are they getting out of it? One needs to know the motive.
110:5.7 The Adjuster of the human being through whom this communication is being made enjoys such a wide scope of activity chiefly because of this human’s almost complete indifference to any outward manifestations of the Adjuster’s inner presence; it is indeed fortunate that he remains consciously quite unconcerned about the entire procedure. He holds one of the highly experienced Adjusters of his day and generation, and yet his passive reaction to, and inactive concern toward, the phenomena associated with the presence in his mind of this versatile Adjuster is pronounced by the guardian of destiny to be a rare and fortuitous reaction. And all this constitutes a favorable co-ordination of influences, favorable both to the Adjuster in the higher sphere of action and to the human partner from the standpoints of health, efficiency, and tranquillity.
We’re supposed to improve our abilities to discern truth. Truth discernment requires an effort to understand another person’s motives. There is nothing wrong with questioning motive in an effort to decide, for yourself, the rightness or wrongness of something. However, judging another person’s motive is something else entirely. I am allowed to make judgments for myself only, but not pass judgment on others. In regards to the midwayer email claim, I am not judging the group’s motive, I am attempting to discern the truth of their motive for myself. When I post my opinion on it it, it is my opinion alone, an opinion I’ve arrived at for myself which I am sharing here. Having seen and analyzed other situations similar to this where the motive was revealed as dubious, makes me lean a certain way. I would love to read the website, then I’d know for sure. I’m quite good at recognizing truth by now. I’ve been doing it for a long time, (plus the leprechauns let me know what’s real ever since I found their pot-o-gold at the end of the rainbow
).100:4.6 You cannot truly love your fellows by a mere act of the will. Love is only born of thoroughgoing understanding of your neighbor’s motives and sentiments.
We are not able to know truth in such circumstances. You can apply existing knowledge and make deductions, but the best we can hope for is suspicion which places both the suspicioness and the suspicionee in a less than pleasant position.What is the reaction if a member of the group read the disparaging comments on this forum? What possible benefit to you or to them in making those comments? If no benefit wouldn’t the Urantia Book propose that you hold your tongue?
One assumption that strikes me is the view that the emails appear by supernatural means. We cannot “know” the source of the emails. It may be that select Celestial Teachers are in morontial form in craft at a distance. Is the internet a gift to our society delivered through revelation? Or is it something they can easily master? This goes directly to Julian’s question. To my mind, the internet is an ideal process for dissemination of Jesus’ teachings and a great way to test faith. If protocols are maintained through this connection, I can see why this may be a preferred means of introducing an ongoing exchange. I can see how protocols could be maintained through only conveying present knowledge. But I have to admit to speculation in respect of all of the above.
You might wish to argue “What is the motive for that exchange, if no new revelation or knowledge is given?” But we are not in a position to question that either. It may be that the only objective at this time is affirmation and reward for the admirable faith held by the recipients. This faith is by itself a beautiful thing. Is it ‘right thinking’ to mock it? What is said in the Urantia Book about the desire to identify ‘agondonters’? I will have to look that up.
Truth is reached through sincere reflection and a desire to do goodness, to be Godlike. Is truth reached through this process of judgment you have employed here? That is for each to reflect upon.
The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)
Angela – you have mentioned “Celestial Teachers” a couple of times now. I am wondering to what or whom you are referring? The 3 Spirits within and the Guardian Angels work together for personal ministry. My understanding is that all other celestials are more engaged or exclusively engaged in “planetary” ministries, not personal ministry.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
There is an experience I can share that may help, if you accept my sincerity. I know I am among friends so feel free to mock and roll about on the floor in laughter. I can take it.
Here goes. I live in a rural location and the stars can shine quite brilliantly at night here. I often go for walks in the paddock at night purely for the joy of viewing them. But about 6 years ago I noticed there were stars that appeared to be oblong in shape, quite clearly shining in a distinct sequence of colours at one corner. The colours were always blue, green, red. Then 2 years ago after much reflection and a desire to make sense of this, I was compelled to ask one shining oblong orb low on the horizon to “please move up”. I asked in reverence and in the belief that they are not stars but craft. Within 10 minutes that flashing body had risen from the horizon to a position high over-head. I was awe-struck, but entirely convinced by the experience. I have since attempted a repeat and the phrase came to mind “Only one per customer”.
I have asked friends about their impressions of colour and most see this also. The reactions differ from mine, as some disagree with the explanation I believe. Others agree with the presence of craft, but do not place the same significance on it or choose to put it out of their mind when it comes to its application in our lives.
My reason for sharing is to offer one perspective on faith. We each have a unique experience with faith that has infinite value to the Supreme Being. I view this experience as part of my faith journey. Now who is to say whether or not craft out there choose to offer instruction to a select few believers by way of the internet?
The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)
Bradly, good question. My personal view is that we are all teachers and students in our infinite journey inward. I believe that the teaching role is an essential aspect of growth. So the designation applies when any celestial entity responds to a request and engages in the process of passing on their personal take on things from a position of authority. Once we emerged from our spiritual ‘quarantine’ this assistance became available.
The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)
Thank you for sharing your experience. As a student of the UB and as we attend a UB study group here together, I think it would be helpful to explore this gift of fact and truth for those agents of personal ministry contrasted with those engaged in planetary ministry. I am unaware of any references in text of celestial “teachers” but would welcome a discussion and exploration of those who may fit such a description.
This is the rub….the UB is quite specific about these two distinct ministries – in and to mind and those whose tasks are otherwise.
So, please….to whom are you referring as “teachers”?
By the way, a study of midwayers would suggest that they do not thusly function in any form of personal ministry.
No one is laughing at anyone…but the claims of some are thoroughly debunked with dire warnings of inherent “dangers” in the inherent capacity for mortal mind to self deceive. Such claims require a large dose of salt and no little skepticism based on my understanding of the teachings given of how things work and who does what and how in personal ministry of circle achievement and potential fusion.
I’d appreciate all others’ contributions here too related to the UB’s presentations of mind and planetary ministries. These claims will always be with us….as a community of students and student/teachers, we need to develop appropriate responses to such claims as those Julian has presented here. Thanks!!
By the way, I’m pretty sure we can discover the source of any and all emails…..just sayin’.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
- Angela wrote: We are not able to know truth in such circumstances.
Yes we are able to know truth. Jesus said that we are to know truth and it will set us free, which is why he sent his Spirit of Truth. You can hide from the truth, but I do not. I embrace it.
141:7.6 Jesus laid great emphasis upon what he called the two truths of first import in the teachings of the kingdom, and they are: the attainment of salvation by faith, and faith alone, associated with the revolutionary teaching of the attainment of human liberty through the sincere recognition of truth, “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Jesus was the truth made manifest in the flesh, and he promised to send his Spirit of Truth into the hearts of all his children after his return to the Father in heaven.
Angela wrote: You can apply existing knowledge and make deductions, but the best we can hope for is suspicion which places both the suspicioness and the suspicionee in a less than pleasant position.Actually not. We can do our homework. We can research and explore. It is not suspicion in a malevolent fashion, it is a matter of uncovering the truth. Our goal in life is to recognize reality. We are supposed to question the reality of everything. We actually have a duty to utilize the cosmic mind and its recognition responses in order to discover what is real and what is unreal. That’s why God gave us a mind. Those who put their heads in the sand and bury their one talent will have to pay the price at some point. And that is an unpleasant position to be in.
Angela wrote: What is the reaction if a member of the group read the disparaging comments on this forum?Gee! I hope they’re reading this. I hope they know that we UB readers are concerned about truth. I hope they come here and share their special messages with the rest of us so we can decide (judge) for ourselves if we think they are real or not. Let us use our cosmic mind responses and the Spirit of Truth to evaluate them for ourselves. That is the way of the universe, is it not? Each person listens, thinks, and decides. That is why Lucifer was allowed to present his arguments for 200,000 years, so everyone could decide for themselves.
Angela wrote: What possible benefit to you or to them in making those comments? If no benefit wouldn’t the Urantia Book propose that you hold your tongue?Benefit? I’ll tell you that there is a lot of benefit to saying something when you see something. A lot of damage was done by a certain member of this community who claimed superhuman contact, and if someone had spoken up, it may not have happened. People were afraid to question superhuman authority and they paid the price. I think it’s high time that people with moral courage speak up. I think the enablers should hold their tongues. We all know that enabling is immoral.
Angela wrote: One assumption that strikes me is the view that the emails appear by supernatural means. We cannot “know” the source of the emails.We certainly can know. It only takes one person with technical skills to uncover the electronic source of the emails. They are coming from someone’s computer and that is traceable. It just takes moral courage for someone to do it. Or better yet, the group receiving them should allow such an investigation. If there is no foul play, they should be completely open to the idea.
Angela wrote: It may be that select Celestial Teachers are in morontial form in craft at a distance.Whoa Nelly! A craft? Really? Earth to Angela! Get a grip girl! Midwayers are born in morontial form and they don’t need a craft to travel in since they can travel twice the speed of light, nor can they leave the planet!
23:3.2 The worlds teem with angels and men and other highly personal beings, but they are handicapped by time and space: The limit of velocity for most nonenseraphimed beings is 186,280 miles of your world per second of your time; the midway creatures and certain others can, often do, attain double velocity – 372,560 miles per second – while the seraphim and others can traverse space at triple velocity, about 558,840 miles per second.
77:9.4 Although their ability to traverse the energy circuits makes planetary departure feasible to any midwayer, they have individually pledged themselves not to leave the planet prior to their sometime release by the universe authorities. Midwayers are anchored on a planet until the ages of settled light and life. With the exception of 1-2 -3 the first, no loyal midway creatures have ever departed from Urantia.
Angela wrote: Is the internet a gift to our society delivered through revelation?No, it was invented by Al Gore, just ask him, he’ll tell you all about it. Personally, I don’t think the internet is a divine gift. Humans earned the knowledge and applied it. Otherwise it wouldn’t be here. I believe in evolution.
Angela wrote: To my mind, the internet is an ideal process for dissemination of Jesus’ teachings and a great way to test faith.How exactly does the internet test faith? To test faith means to tempt one’s loyalty to God. The internet cannot do that. The internet is inanimate. Are you suggesting there is something magical about the internet that can make people deny God against their will? Do you believe in zombies too? Angela, you’re not making a lot of sense with this comment.
Angela wrote: You might wish to argue “What is the motive for that exchange, if no new revelation or knowledge is given?”No, that’s not it at all. Revelation has nothing to do with it. It’s about the abuse of the superhuman level of reality for personal gain. It’s about delusion. It’s about embracing unreality, twisting it all around and presenting it as reality. It’s about screwing with people’s minds. It’s about morality Angela. Morality! Ask Mara about the immorality of duplicity when it comes to false claims of supernatural contact. She knows what kind of damage it can do to human lives. One could bring a lawsuit, just sayin’.
Angela wrote: But we are not in a position to question that either.It is our position to question everything, including God. We ask, and we receive; we look and we find. We are told to be as wise as serpents, to make discerning judgments concerning reality everyday. Questioning is what the human mind does best. Progress requires questioning minds. Those who bury their heads in the sand with their one talent are not doing the world one bit of good.
Angela wrote: This faith is by itself a beautiful thing. Is it ‘right thinking’ to mock it?No one is mocking faith. No one, including me, is disparaging any particular person or group of persons. What is being disparaged and questioned here is a claim to the validity of midwayer emails. Why you turn that into a personal assault is beyond me. Julian does that too, I have the emails to prove it. When you question an idea on this forum it does not mean that you are condemning or ridiculing a person, just their ideas. Attempting to uncover the motive is actually an act of compassion, an attempt to understand the reason for a ridiculous idea. And, the idea of supernatural midwayer email is ridiculous; I think most of us seem to agree on that. None of us are saying that the group receiving the emails are ridiculous, just their claim of superhuman emails. Get it?
Angela wrote: Truth is reached through sincere reflection and a desire to do goodness, to be Godlike. Is truth reached through this process of judgment you have employed here? That is for each to reflect upon.Attempting to discover the truth concerning supernatural midwayer emails is Godlike. Are they real? Reality is Godlike. Are they unreal? Unreality is the antithesis of Godlike. One thing is for sure. If they are unreal, they will not last long in this universe. But what we are all concerned about here is the repercussions of evil that we will all have to bear as a result. Evil is the opposite of truth. If the emails are not true, they are evil and something needs to be done about it. We have a right to discover the truth about these things. Not only a right, but a duty. Duty is the level of morality. We have a moral duty to make sure people are not led astray by falsehood and deceit. You should know that!
16:6.7 2. Duty — the reality domain of morals in the philosophic realm, the arena of reason, the recognition of relative right and wrong. This is the judicial form of the cosmic discrimination.
16:9.11 2. The quest for moral values, the sense of duty.
79:8.14 4. Development of a strong sense of duty, the enhancement of morality, and the augmentation of ethical sensitivity.
- Angela wrote: Once we emerged from our spiritual ‘quarantine’ this assistance became available.
What? Is that special information given to you by superhuman means? Did your so-called teachers tell you exactly when we emerged from spiritual quarantine? Angela, you are wandering down a very crooked road with this one. We’re still quarantined and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
28:7.4 We are denied the full privilege of using these angels of the reflective order on Urantia. They are frequent visitors on your world, accompanying assigned personalities, but here they cannot freely function. This sphere is still under partial spiritual quarantine, and some of the circuits essential to their services are not here at present. When your world is once more restored to the reflective circuits concerned, much of the work of interplanetary and interuniverse communication will be greatly simplified and expedited. Celestial workers on Urantia encounter many difficulties because of this functional curtailment of their reflective associates. But we go on joyfully conducting our affairs with the instrumentalities at hand, notwithstanding our local deprivation of many of the services of these marvelous beings, the living mirrors of space and the presence projectors of time.
- Angela wrote: So the designation applies when any celestial entity responds to a request and engages in the process of passing on their personal take on things from a position of authority.Sorry, forgot to include this in the last post. This is exactly what I’m talking about. Celestial communication also puts the receiver a position of authority. This is a powerful motivator, the power of authority.For example, if I should tell you that Jesus came to me this morning and informed me that midwayers don’t live in spacecrafts, you’d have to accept that as authoritative information because Jesus said so. It gives me power in the argument since my information comes from a higher source and you cannot prove otherwise. And according to your words, to question me would make you suspicious, and being suspicious is wrong. You would be questioning my faith, and that would be wrong. So I win! Hooray! I got da powah!
Bradly – Here is just one example of planetary supervision being achieved through human means. I suspect (only a suspicion) one of the ‘projects’ promoted was the internet.
114:6.19 (1256.9) The master seraphim of planetary supervision utilize many agencies for the prosecution of their missions. They function as ideational clearinghouses, mind focalizers, and project promoters. While unable to inject new and higher conceptions into human minds, they often act to intensify some higher ideal which has already appeared within a human intellect.
The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality — actuality — of that man. 117:4.14 (1285.3)
Good one!! Let’s keep digging. By the way….there’s lots of celestial teachers from the Mansion Worlds all the way to Paradise, so what we’re looking for are any and all agents/celestials/spirits/etc. which contact mortal mind on planet of birth.
"Live loyally today—grow—and tomorrow will attend to itself. The quickest way for a tadpole to become a frog is to live loyally each moment as a tadpole."
