Creation – then there is creation

8 posts · 3 participants · started Oct 31, 2014, 4:36 PM

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   nelsongParticipant
   Oct 31, 2014, 4:36 PM

   (59.3) 4:4.7 In science, God is the First Cause; in religion, the universal and loving Father; in philosophy, the one being who exists by himself, not dependent on any other being for existence but beneficently conferring reality of existence on all things and upon all other beings. But it requires revelation to show that the First Cause of science and the self-existent Unity of philosophy are the God of religion, full of mercy and goodness and pledged to effect the eternal survival of his children on earth.

   This line kind of caught my attention and I can’t help but think about the fact we are told about the infinite creative powers of the Universal Father. His creative powers and how they are manifest likely differ from his subordinate Creator personalities???

   I make a simplistic analogy by comparing Creator Sons to the laboratory where existing materials are manipulated and new things are brought into being. (over-simplistic and does not do justice to these magnificent beings).

   But this is not the same as beneficently conferring reality of existence on something. Think about the Adjusters, or the Absolutes, or personality – they dont really fit the lab analogy – more in line with having reality of existence conferred.

   Sound off the wall???? What do you think?

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   Nigel NunnParticipant
   Nov 3, 2014, 4:33 PM

   nelsong wrote:

   [ng]: “I make a simplistic analogy by comparing Creator Sons to the laboratory where existing materials are manipulated and new things are brought into being. (over-simplistic and does not do justice to these magnificent beings).”

   Hi nelsong, paper 118:4.7 says much the same thing:

   (1298.7, 118:4.7) 3. Creation and evolution of universe actuals. It is upon a cosmos impregnated by the capacity-producing presence of the Ultimacy of Deity that the Supreme Creators operate to effect the time transmutations of matured potentials into experiential actuals. Within the master universe all actualization of potential reality is limited by ultimate capacity for development and is time-space conditioned in the final stages of emergence. The Creator Sons going out from Paradise are, in actuality, transformative creators in the cosmic sense. But this in no manner invalidates man’s concept of them as creators; from the finite viewpoint they certainly can and do create.

   I like your idea of “Nebadon as workplace” — from any more-than-finite view, the Michael’s are just “being about their Father’s work”. From our point of view, one way to describe this work might be:  “personalizing Adjusters by the human technique”?

   Nigel

    

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   nelsongParticipant
   Nov 3, 2014, 5:38 PM

   Well the personality and the Adjuster can create an immortal soul when they simply worship together.

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   BonitaParticipant
   Nov 4, 2014, 4:14 PM

   Can’t say I understand what this thread is about, but as I understand it, the Universal Father doesn’t actually create anything.  What he is accredited to as creating is actually eventuated, not created.  Creation implies some level of imperfection, or evolution, and the Universal Father does not utilize his volition for anything less than perfection. He shares imperfection but does not create it. He leaves creation to his Creator Sons and Daughters.

   4:4.4 The Father-Absolute is the creator of the central and perfect universe and the Father of all other Creators. Personality, goodness, and numerous other characteristics, God shares with man and other beings, but infinity of will is his alone. God is limited in his creative acts only by the sentiments of his eternal nature and by the dictates of his infinite wisdom. God personally chooses only that which is infinitely perfect, hence the supernal perfection of the central universe; and while the Creator Sons fully share his divinity, even phases of his absoluteness, they are not altogether limited by that finality of wisdom which directs the Father’s infinity of will. Hence, in the Michael order of sonship, creative free will becomes even more active, wholly divine and well-nigh ultimate, if not absolute. The Father is infinite and eternal, but to deny the possibility of his volitional self-limitation amounts to a denial of this very concept of his volitional absoluteness.

   15:0.1 As far as the Universal Father is concerned — as a Father — the universes are virtually nonexistent; he deals with personalities; he is the Father of personalities.

   32:4.1 Do not entertain the idea that, since the Universal Father has delegated so much of himself and his power to others, he is a silent or inactive member of the Deity partnership. Aside from personality domains and Adjuster bestowal, he is apparently the least active of the Paradise Deities in that he allows his Deity co-ordinates, his Sons, and numerous created intelligences to perform so much in the carrying out of his eternal purpose. He is the silent member of thecreative trio only in that he never does aught which any of his co-ordinate or subordinate associates can do.

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   nelsongParticipant
   Nov 4, 2014, 7:15 PM

   Well maybe I got off base a bit but all I was expressing was my fascination with and the implications of the statement that God beneficently bestows reality on everything.

   same as eventuation I suppose??

    

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   BonitaParticipant
   Nov 4, 2014, 7:30 PM

   nelsong wrote:

   I was expressing was my fascination with and the implications of the statement that God beneficently bestows reality on everything.

   Oh . . . wasn’t sure what you were fascinated with, so thanks for clarifying that.  So, what is the reality that God the Father bestows upon us creatures?  Don’t you think that it’s the personality along with  the potential for achieving personality reality in eternity?  Aren’t we here to use our personalities to unify finite experience, discovering reality and identifying with it? Aren’t we given a focal point of reality with the Adjuster? Isn’t it the Adjuster who gives us that feeling of reality recognition when we face experience with facts, ideas and relations? Don’t we essentially start out as unreal creatures, and as we traverse the psychic circles we become more real?  Although the reality of personality is a gift, I think personality reality is earned . . . . right?

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   nelsongParticipant
   Nov 4, 2014, 8:13 PM

   I think that reality is bestowed on personality as well – even before it is given to us.

   From my perspective bestowing reality sounds more like something coming from nothing.

   we just learn how to identify with it.

   Creator Sons learn how to manipulate it.

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   BonitaParticipant
   Nov 4, 2014, 8:39 PM

   nelsong wrote:

   From my perspective bestowing reality sounds more like something coming from nothing.

   That’s probably because you’re thinking of it in a linear fashion, meaning that reality has to have a beginning.  Reality doesn’t have a beginning and “nothing” is not a reality, as far as I know, unless you’re talking figuratively, of course.  I agree that it is remarkable though . . .  the whole concept of reality, that is.

   4:1.6 The Universal Father has not withdrawn from the management of the universes; he is not an inactive Deity. If God should retire as the present upholder of all creation, there would immediately occur a universal collapse. Except for God, there would be no such thing as reality. At this very moment, as during the remote ages of the past and in the eternal future, God continues to uphold. The divine reach extends around the circle of eternity. The universe is not wound up like a clock to run just so long and then cease to function; all things are constantly being renewed. The Father unceasingly pours forth energy, light, and life. The work of God is literal as well as spiritual. “He stretches out the north over the empty space and hangs the earth upon nothing.”

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